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Photographer Hugo de Wolf  Hugo de Wolf {Karma:185110}
Project #45 Blurry Image Camera Model Nikon F100
Categories Digital
Photoart
People
Film Format
Portfolio Emotions
Creative Photos
The Dutch Files
Lens Sigma 17-35mm f/2.8 ED
Uploaded 8/9/2004 Film / Memory Type ASA 1250
    ISO / Film Speed 0
Views 1490 Shutter
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Critiques 48 Rating
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Country - Netherlands   Netherlands
About


First of all, I would like to thank everybody who commented on the previous ones for his or her advice. Your constructive comments
are what make Usefilm so excellent. This is (obviously) another fill flash shot, with slow shutter and a flash on the rear curtain. I
wonder if this is more to your liking. The DOF and composition seem less of an item to me, but I do wonder what you think...

Actual settings:
Exposure 1/4 sec
Aperture f/4.8
Exposure Comp: 0 EV
Flash: SB-800
Flash Sync mode: Rear Curtain
Flash Comp -0,5 EV
Flash Sync speed 1/60' sec.

Some PS rework (felt I had to clone out my other camera....) and Neat image to get rid of some noise.

A bit of insight into Dutch wedding customs might be in order here. During the party following the days events, friends of both the
bride and groom take the opportunity to ?get even? at their newly wed friend. This usually takes place in the form of a song; a
couple of anecdotes and some pranks. That?s what?s happening here?

The group of friends is not the main subject of this shot, but they do form a very appropriate background for the waitress with the
tray of beers?.:o)

All comments are, as usual, very much appreciated.

Cheers,

Hugo

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There are 48 Comments in 1 Pages
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Joćo Martins   {K:2754} 12/2/2004
Hi Hugo,

Long time no see... sorry my friend.
When I commented this photo, you told how I could do things like this...
I've been trying... and... well, you can see for yourself:
http://www.usefilm.com/image/620802.html
and
http://www.usefilm.com/image/625442.html
Thanks!!! :)

Cheers

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Roberto Arcari Farinetti Roberto Arcari Farinetti   {K:209486} 10/28/2004
magnific photo in people moment!
great emotion and clear light!
a perfect exposure and effect!
see you soon
roby

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Orazio Minnella Orazio Minnella   {K:49417} 8/15/2004
Amazing scene.
Nice composition and tones.
A wonderful work.
Congrats.
Regards...Orazio

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Di Ciuccio Maurizio Di Ciuccio Maurizio   {K:57398} 8/15/2004
mi piace molto questo scatto..l'effetto voluto č molto piacevole ed interessante...la tonalita' ed i colori rispecchiano la bella scena colta al momento giusto..ottimo lavoro,come sempre mio caro amico..ben ritrovato..un saluto e grazie ..a presto caro hugo

it appeals to to this scatto..l' intentional effect very to me is the many pleasant and interesting... tonalita' and colors rispecchiano the beautiful scene picked at the moment giusto..ottimo job, like always my beloved amico..ben ritrovato..un salute and thanks..a soon beloved hugo

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Carmem A. Busko   {K:48785} 8/14/2004
Hi, Hugo, first of all I?d like to thank you for all comments you have been done about my PS experiences lately. These experiences are not so creative as your work, but you gently spend you time seeing, and adviceing, and that makes you and your opinion very important, and Usefilm a nice "place" to visit and stay.
This shot is special because it shows not an action what was taking place... but one was about to be.. I mean, it reveals your ability to predict an action before registering it. All your technique, flash, shutter speedy is awesome. Very well done. Here in Brazil, we say: "I want to be as you when I grow up"...
Thank you for sharing your customs, too.
cheers!
Carmem

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Craig Hanson   {K:7836} 8/14/2004
Wonderfully festive mood Hugo! The rear curtain flash is perfect here! Congratulations!

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Ursula Luschnig Ursula Luschnig   {K:21723} 8/13/2004
Hi Hugo,congrats to this series.It is amazing,fantastic light...I only can wonder about the technic...but for me is important the mood,the men seemingly singing,the waitress and the fresh beer,the expressions on the faces..and I could continue endless....and as a tiny i-point....the black-and white shoes.:)
Kind Regards,Ursula

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John Hatziemmanouil   {K:40580} 8/13/2004
This one is pretty good Hugo. I can say better because I like a lot the woman's head that have so nice and clear transperacity! She was fast.... very fast!!! (isn't it?) ;-)
Bye!

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Bradley Prue Bradley Prue   {K:30678} 8/12/2004
Hugo,
First let me say that your generous "about's" help all of us. You always provide the significant details regarding your setup, and the parameters that you are working within.
What I find most interesting about this shot is that the waitress would seem to be the person who is moving the most, and the fastest....yet through technique, you have presented her with more focus than the bystanders...though she exhibits somewhat of a transluscent appearance. It is my humble opinion that the main focus is where it should be.....on the beer, of course! Cheers.. ..Brad

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Jan Symank Jan Symank   {K:22030} 8/11/2004
A great impression of dynamic movement in this composition.
Jan

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Hermen Pen Hermen Pen   {K:9168} 8/11/2004
Hi Hugo, what I was thinking about is keeping the same shutter time (to maintain the length of the blurred 'veil' in the foreground) and changing the relative amount of ambient light with respect to the flash. Maybe this could be done by changing the aperture? (I am not sure, I do not know very much yet about flash photography yet. I should learn something about it though; recently I obtained a second hand camera set including a very seriously looking flash, and a book on flash photography...). If you change the aperture, of course you should change the ISO as well to maintain correct exposure. Again, I am not sure whether this would lead somewhere, I was just brainstorming :)

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Riny  Koopman   {K:19998} 8/11/2004
Hi Hugo,Great effects in this composition,
Hoe langer ik naar de ober kijkt des te meer ik dorst krijgt met dit warme weer.
Groetjes.......Riny

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Ian McIntosh Ian McIntosh   {K:42997} 8/11/2004
Thanks Hugo, I'll look into that.

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 8/11/2004
Ah! that one! Yes... Now I remember! Thanks my friend! Don't give up trying! Eventhough Telmo's shot is very elaborate (with the camera rotating too), an easy start is to use fixed camera settings. Get the settings by just looking through the camera without the flash. taking a few practise shots. Select a ISO and aperture combination that ensures a shutterspeed somewhere between 1/8' and 1/2' seconds. Then hook up the flash (first curtain will work too) and fire away.... See how it turns out, and adjust the settings accordingly.

Cheers,

Hugo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 8/11/2004
Hi Hermen, thanks for your reply. I found this quite interesting. Not disagreeing, but merely out of curiousity and in order to check if I've understood you correctly: I think it's the time the CCD (or film) is exposed that is the key element. A smaller aperture would need a more sensitive ISO value at a given / fixed time. That (exposure) time is the measure for the (physical) length of the blur. So changing the ISO value would only affect the aperture, and thus (for the major part) the DOF. Or am I missing here something?

A different perspective / view point is a better solution I say. A large part of the atmospehre and composition is introduced by luck. When I started to compose this shot, I didn't notice the waitress, but as soon as she entered the viewfinder, I coulnd't let it pass. It was a split second decision, and from there on, the camera settings took over....) This is the entire photo, uncropped.

The good thing is, that every non-photographer, including the couple who have seen this one, found it fantastic. (no remarks about ghostlike figures or translucent heads with window frames sticking through them...) The good thing being that people on usefilm look at it differently. Not only very challenging, but it also provide some useful feedback and critisism. And that's what I am here for! Thanks for your comments. Very insightful...

Cheers,

Hugo

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Joćo Martins   {K:2754} 8/10/2004
Hi Hugo,

Here it is the link: http://www.usefilm.com/image/316566.html

Cheers
j

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Hermen Pen Hermen Pen   {K:9168} 8/10/2004
Hi Hugo,

you said that you could not avoid the translucency of the waitresses' head without comporimising the motion blur. I was thinking of changing the ISO speed or the aperture, but after all I think that would not be a solution either... You may decrease the intensity of the window but at the same time that would decrease the intensity of the blur (not the length). So the only possibility would be to take a different viewpoint to avoid the overlap but I guess that would be quite hard - if not impossible - as well in this situation :(

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 8/10/2004
Hi Christine, my appologies for the typo in your name...

Cheers,

Hugo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 8/10/2004
Hi Hermen, thanks for your comment. As I replied to Thilo about the translucency of the waitresses' head, I don't think I could've prevented that without comporimising the motion blur filling the entire image. With a quicker shutterspeed, the translucency would've been strongly reduced, but then so would the blur....

Cheers,

Hugo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 8/10/2004
Hi Ian, Thanks for your comment. I used a SB-800, mounted directly on the camera's hot shoe. I used a diffuser hood, pointing straight foreward with a -0,5 - something flash compensation, as the ceiling appeared too high for indirect flash light.

If possible I do also try to avoid flash, but don't want to risk loosing the important stuff for the couple. Besides, I don't like to compromise my choice of aperture nor grain. I find a diffuser hood a very useful tool. For daytime shots, I tend to use it too, but then pointing up.

Cheers,

Hugo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 8/10/2004
Hi Cristine, Thanks alot for your comment. Very indepth description. It does make sense. Alot. It's also one of the things I enjoy so much about photography (and Usefim for that matter); it enables people to vent their observations and by expressing the way they perceive a shot, it becomes clear if the intended message (by the photographer) came across as planned. I think your description is very accurate, and comes very close to the way I've perceived that particular wedding....

Thanks alot!

Cheers,

Hugo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 8/10/2004
Hi Joćo, I'm afraid I can't remember that one... Tried to look for it in Telmo's portfolio, but couldn't find it either. Could you please send me that link?

Cheers,

hugo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 8/10/2004
Hi Lori, Thanks alot for your comment. Much appreciated! I still have to learn alot about Neat Image, but it seems a very powerful tool for Digitals. Need to play with it more, but the program is definately worth a try.

Cheers,

Hugo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 8/10/2004
Hi Saeed, as always, thank you very much for your comments, I always appreciate them alot, as they are sincere and enlighting...

Cheers,

Hugo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 8/10/2004
Hi Thilo, Thanks for your elaborate comment. You're right about the hearts; they form a pattern through the tree images, as it causes the red streak in the second and is also visible in the first.

About the translucency of the waitresses' head, I don't think I could've prevented that without comporimising the motion blur filling the entire image. With a quicker shutterspeed, the translucency would've been strongly reduced, but then so would the blur....

Another solution would be to play more with PS, but except for the things I mentioned in my description, I choose to stick as closely as possible with the original effect. I do see what you mean, though.

Cheers,

hugo

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Hermen Pen Hermen Pen   {K:9168} 8/10/2004
Of all three images, I think this one has the most interesting background... I have the same concern as in the second image about the window shining through a head, I find this not really flattering :) The motion blur is more functional than in the first image, it is coupled to the waitress and creates a good sense of movement. If I had to make an order in the three images, I would say it's a close finish between #2 and #3.

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Verena Rentrop Verena Rentrop   {K:15233} 8/10/2004
Hi Hugo,

this one is the best, must be, so much beer on the way to a lot of thursty goals ;)))

To become serious, I like the apparent static tray, the waitress seems to be more like a ghost, underlined from the translucent head.

Finally, first place splitted between I and III.

Cheers,
Verena

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Ian McIntosh Ian McIntosh   {K:42997} 8/10/2004
Hey Hugo!
Nice!
We are talking about a slave flash here or just mounted above the camera?
"rear curtain" is a "mode" I see... I can look that up... right comes at the end ...
Is it reflected off the ceiling very deft lighting job.
Oh well my brain hurts from info but I'm not complaining. Sorry bout the stupid questions.
Instructive as always.
We should be paying you (maybe we are...).
Have to do a wedding in march and pray to avoid a flash though am thinking of getting or hiring slave of some sort or a couple to avoid the ugly reflections. This is encouraging.

Love the backwash of beer behind her, brilliant.

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Angelo Villaschi Angelo Villaschi   {K:49617} 8/10/2004
How's anyone supposed to get a drink when the waitress moves so fast??? It's just not fair!

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Bobby Mun Bobby Mun   {K:3709} 8/10/2004
Hi Hugo,

I like this shot ! I tried once taking such picture, but result isn't good. Your shot has good background and the waitress is well captured using rear curtain.

Excellent capture and also thanks for sharing the technical details.

Cheers ! Bobby

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Peggy Christine Skinner Peggy Christine Skinner   {K:26936} 8/10/2004
This is a compilation of both previous images. It is the full embodiment as you stated. Something about the window style and the heavy drapes convey an older time along with a couple of the gentlemen and their demeanor. Actually the one just to the right of the waitress, the shoes he is wearing, two-toned brogues. Reminds me of that gallant era when chivalry was not dead...but then I am abruptly brought up to speed to now with the waitress's attire and the style of beer glasses. The blur, the haze take me in and out of time and the waitress is moving forward but backward in time because the tray of glasses are full. Does that make sense? (Ik ben aan vele Nederlandse huwelijken geweest en wij kennen hoe te
partij :-) )

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Gustavo Eulalio   {K:3777} 8/10/2004
Great series, Hugo. I like this ghostly effect of people being half-transparent. Interesting, half-transparent but not blurry. Cheers.

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Joćo Martins   {K:2754} 8/9/2004
Hi Hugo,

I like this last photo the most.
Too bad my camera doesn't have 2nd courtain flash.
My frien Telmo tryed something like that with a clown, remember? But I can't do it.
Maybe after 5000 photos... (I did "only" 1500 digital.)
I like the "gost" type of these photos.
Very nice work!

Cheers

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Roger Cotgreave   {K:15892} 8/9/2004
looks like a good party hugo...I like your playing around. I think this would work in BW due to their outfits...rog

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Richard Thornton   {K:26442} 8/9/2004
Wonder no more, Hugo. This one really illustrates the passage of time (whatever it may be). Yes, I like this one very much.

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Teunis Haveman Teunis Haveman   {K:53426} 8/9/2004
Hugo, je hebt er een schitterende compositie van gemaakt
Het is een foto, waar je bij moet glimlachen
Teunis

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Paul's Photos Paul's Photos   {K:35235} 8/9/2004
wow... really like this one.. the waitress is excellent, especially the fact that she is somewhat transparent.. glad that beer is in focus :) great work

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Walter Scarella Walter Scarella   {K:19671} 8/9/2004
Another Great work Hugo ! Beautiful effect, excellent composition and movement sensation !!!
Congratulations
Regards...Walter

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Chris Spracklen   {K:32552} 8/9/2004
Fascinating series, Hugo, wound up with the best of the three!
Like the others, it has a really ghostly and ethereal feel to it! And a great sense of colour and movement.
Kind regards, Chris

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Lori Stitt   {K:75282} 8/9/2004
Hi Hugo,

This one IS more to my liking, I've been looking for it! (did not save the one you Emailed to me a while back)

First of all, I like the lighting very much. There are no distracting reflections coming back at the viewer. Even all the way accross which I think is really good for this type of photograph!
No hot distracting colors/lights in the subjects, making viewing really GOOD!
LOVE seeing the faint legs and feet of those in the back area.

And good expression on the server as she floats by with that beer that will 'wet the whistles' of all those who are singing!! (they will be most grateful, LOL)

I like the composition very much!

Good job Hugo, I really feel this one is the strongest one of the three, you've saved the best for last!!!

Lori :)

Looks like Neat Image has been perfected! :)

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Maria Luisa Vial   {K:36017} 8/9/2004
Hi Hugo,

The tryptich has been great, but I think this is the best one of the three... The movmement is grewat... The background is not distracting and gives the picture the atmosphere of the party... The waitress with the beer, keeps all the focus...

Really great!!!!!!

Cheers,

Maria

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NN  NN     {K:26787} 8/9/2004
This just wants me to get beer! :) As a blurry wedding pic I think that version I was best, II the second best and ... maybe you can add the rest?

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Tony Diana Tony Diana   {K:13396} 8/9/2004
Estupenda composición

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Saeed Al Shamsi Saeed Al Shamsi   {K:47735} 8/9/2004
A well handling motion and light,, Again its a matter of taste and background, I did look at the 3 again I do like this one a bit more than the first,2nd already said it is busy light reflection, although a blurry effect on background but with no disturbance and balanced with foreground,, the waitress with the tray adds marvelous effect as of appearing from no where with the mass of light following here.. well studied series, to me in this order,,3,1,2 ,,Saeed

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Raamses Ortiz   {K:4408} 8/9/2004
Hi Hugo,

As the series final, this is a very good one. This scene is perfect. The friend singing are really good as background for the waitress. after all who wouldn't want a nice cold drink after a set of songs. The rear syncro does a lot showing the image while allowing the light tail of the waitress walking.

Also is good to know a bit of the dutch tradions. Very good work my friend!

Congrats,

Be seeing you...

Raamses.

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Thilo Bayer Thilo Bayer   {K:50358} 8/9/2004
Dear Hugo,

as this is the final picture: congrats! great series and I really appreciate your work with the flash lights.

This one has a great dynamics with the blur covering most of the scene. I like the way the background singers shine through (do I see hearts on their clothes?). the horizontal format fits the subject very well. I'm not sure about the transparent head of the waitress. That's a scary effect... after 5 mins watching, I don't think I like this detail. besides that, it's just great.

If I have to make an order of quality... then this is nr. 2 with #2 is Nr. 1.

take care,
Thilo

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Regina Rianelli   {K:24147} 8/9/2004
Dear Hugo,

Congratulations for the Wedding Series...
i really enjoyed the effects in all of those, but the atmosphere accomplished with the waitress serving beers and the Friends singing or saying some Speech in the background has made the highlight of the Series, imho...

Keep up the great job!

my Best,
Regina

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Amit Saha Amit Saha   {K:3131} 8/9/2004
This is the best in the tryptych...there is so much movement in this frame yet very subtle...awesome work.

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