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Aniko Heart
{K:26503} 9/1/2007
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A not such a well made image into your favourites, Paul???
WOW!!! Thank you so much. That is an honour!
Hugs~
Ani :)
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Paul Lara
{K:88111} 9/1/2007
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In my favorites, Ani.
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/18/2007
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Yes, Aniko, and I still do believe that honesty is the best policy.
For me it remains most important to retain always that kind of directness that allows us all to also sit in a bar and have a beer, and even say to each other how stupid we are.
You see, considering the mess that diplomacy and politics has caused on this world up to now, by always saying something different than what one thinks, it could be at the time to try it out the other way around.
Best wishes,
Nick
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Aniko Heart
{K:26503} 7/18/2007
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Dear Nick!
Yes... it can get hard this way, but indeed it remains honest.
Best Wishes,
Aniko :)
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/16/2007
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When I disagree, I disagree and present arguments, Aniko. No need for diplomacy here. In case of convincing counter-arguments I suddenly understand and I am able to agree. But not any second earlier.
It can get hard this way, but it remains honest, doeesn't it?
Best wishes,
Nick
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Aniko Heart
{K:26503} 7/14/2007
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Dear Nick...
Let us agree to disagree..
Best Wishes,
Aniko :)
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/13/2007
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Yes, we all have our unique style. Some of us learn in order to be able to work with PS, and some of us will apply filters for the next 100 years and think that this is arts.
We go for whichever way we wish, but defending what any kid with 10 could do as "the own style" is a bit too little to me. Especially after having seen real work with PS coming from really enlighted minds. Like for example Gurksky, or even Andre Denis of this club.
Thanks for the detailed description of your work with the other image. As expected really obvious and rather usual. Way from the very unique effect of this one here.
And of course I'll go through your straigt camera work, but this is not the important thing. The important thing is the consequent denial to learn what PS is for. And that's way not only filters, which become rather boring as the time passes by. I see it every day in all those ooh so symbolic things that do not really say that much.
Symbolic bye,
Nick
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Aniko Heart
{K:26503} 7/13/2007
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My Dear Nick!
I did not post the other image with any intent to "same old same old"... We all have our "unique style", and even though to some eyes it is totally obvious how this image was "played"
in PS... to some it is not...
And to you my friend, I do NOT EVER post
anything for the sake of merely posting!
(Please look at time lapses between posts....)
SyBmolism, yes... but RARELY with same old same old technique... :)
Nick... I "feel" an image out... it might be a straight macro... To some, they view it as PS work... not the case!
Art is art!
We cannot say that all my images have even a single filter applied in PS... :)
If you have time and the inclination, look past my PS work! Totally "straight" in-camera work.
And so be it!
Gracious thanks for your interest,
Aniko :)
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/13/2007
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Thanks a lot for the comforting details of the digital processing of the other image, Aniko. At that image it is already visible with the eyes what has been done, but still thanks.
I hope to see something more than the same filters used again and again for symbolisms and hidden meanings that seem to play the only important role in the wish to post something.
Best wishes,
Nick
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Aniko Heart
{K:26503} 7/10/2007
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No avoiding uncomfortable situations Nick :)
I am comfortable :)
I have posted an image with details as to the digital process... if you care to view it :)
The title is "Forgotten Something?" :)
Warmest Wishes,
Aniko :)
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/10/2007
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Hmm, not labouring the subject while one has much to agree and especially also much to disagree is but another way to avoid uncomfortable situations?
But you did labour and so I follow. Who are the outsiders by whom you have been recognized? I guess you mean the UF and other online photoclubs, or am I wrong? Anyway, it is not the general recognition that counts, but rather a single personal view should be enough, even if it is the own one. Which of course does not mean that there will not be any argues about this and that, and how to do it better or worse, you know.
But the important thing is not the result of the artistic work whatsoever. If it would be that way, then who were to define what is artistic work? You? Perhaps me? Or anybody here around? It is obvious that this cannot be the measure. The measure is the *intention* and the used means are directly coupled to that intention, be it work for magazines like you did, or work for galleries, museums, and expositions like I do. And of course the magazines and the museums and the whatsoever will ask you and me and everybody about the techniques, since they can't care that much about what you or me or anybody else could find "nice artistic work", because as already said there is no objective measure for that. Or better I say, I don't know any.
Now about the "order" ;-). Well, to name the used programs is not even basic. Programs are not methods. Of course I didn't think that you did your work using MS-Office ;-) (Though some bugs there could allow for images consisting of letters and numbers, but that's another story. ;-)) Much funnier than the "artist title" you talked about is the lack of understanding of what we use and how we use it, isn't it? The intuitive computers - as intuitive as they can be - may have brought us into a state in which we siply do, and do not know what exactly we do. But, and this is the important point, even the methods/filters/alterations provided by computer programs, are not anything "new". They are only the digital algorithms for processes that did exist priorly to the dawn of digital imaging. Any artist and any photographer at all just knows that. So just tell us something about dodging, about burning, about spilling over - it doesn't have to be exactly the word in the countless filter list of PS. It is the method and not its etiquette, at least as long as we care for artistic work.
Best wishes,
Nick
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Aniko Heart
{K:26503} 7/9/2007
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Dear Nick!
I will not labour the subject, as there is much I agree with in what you have said and much I have different views on.
All in all, I appreciate your taking so much time and it gladdens my heart to have such exceptional feedback and expansive input from you.
I am not always in delirium when I work... lol... and naturally there is memory stored as to how my works come about... such things are stored in the subconscious mind if nowhere else.
Also, I have been an "artist" (funny how one has that title once one has been "recognized" by outsiders... lol...) for more years than I care to mention! :)
As far as using PS and similar programmes to "expand" upon photographic work, I have been doing so for many years and have worked for Australian national photographic magazines where I was "expected" to detail every technique used, and naturally I complied... :)
I do care very much about people such as yourself here in UF and many of my "creations" are extensively explained as to methods employed to achieve the final result. I will not take an order (lol) ... but I will do my best to outline at least the basics of that which I have used in my ancient programmes (I use Adobe PS7 and I don't even remember which old version of Corel, and I sometimes use both in one image... such
was the case in "Taking Over"... the "cut out" looking edging for example was done in Corel. The rest was mostly done in PS.)
Thank you again. You are an interesting person and I enjoy our communications.
Wishing you the Best!
Aniko :)
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/9/2007
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You are very welcome, Aniko!
About "perfectness" of your recent work, especially looking such images like for example "Rusty old thingo" or "taking over", allow me to have a different opinion. Of course, nothing we, humans, do can ever be perfect in the strictest sense of the word. Still, such images like those mentioned above are perfect in their own way, which might be not "universal perfection", but does confirm its own statement and expression.
It is not as much "remembering the methods" for the sake of itself, but rather for a conscious way of creating, which has always been the common and very important part of the approaches of any artist, any serious bothering about arts, any direction, any "school". Even Pollock did know about his methods and it was way not only "doing". And it is also because the technique itself is a part of creation and much more of the exploration of the possibilities. Else, the very process of creation turns to some kind of "coincidence" which then would make it possible to say that it is arts to... win playing roulette! Or to simply write down some letters without caring at all which ones, where, etc, and say that the result is a novelle or a poem. ;-)
Or let me have some bottles of whisky for a nice good delirium, do what I do, and then wake up and say I am an artist! (I did that and believe me, it didn't work!! ;-))
BTW, you could also go delirious, do all work, and then (when you wake up ;-)) save the history protocoll. You don't need to care about it while you' re on the go.
Certainly, being in touch with arts and creative work for a long time does make many things "automatic" in the sense that one really "knows" what is going to happen when using this or the other brush, or this or the other PS-filter. It is the accumulated amount of experience that turns things so easy, that one *thinks* they come from heaven. But they don't come from heaven. They come from the tremendous amount of work and investigation that has been already fulfilled.
So, I guess we are always structured, but in different ways. Sometimes keeping in mind all things that should be done, sometimes just going for it but because of the knowledge that is there, in mind, able to do things in some "intuitive" way.
I can only be glad that you start recalling your steps - go on! Just care a bit more for us, who are eager to know how you achieved this result. Remember! Remember, I say! And that's an order! ;-)
All the best to you,
Nick
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Aniko Heart
{K:26503} 7/9/2007
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Thanks Nick.
Whatever I have ever created has never been "perfect"... but sure, this image could be improved upon. If and when I get a chance, I will do so...
I feel no need to keep the records as part of the creative process. I do what I do (and yes I am naturally aware of the history in PS... just don't really use it much... :))
Do I really need to remember?
I think if I get back into the feel of the image, I will "recall" enough... :)For instance, I am now, upon viewing the image again, aware that there was some "brush painting" used etc etc...
Also I am not always delirious (consciously or unconsciously... lol...) when creating anything... be that music or "other". Sometimes I am very very "structured" for want of a better word...
So pleased to hear back from you...
Best Wishes my Friend!
Aniko :)
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/9/2007
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So this is why you came up with this remarkable image - it's your preoccupation with such matters! Well, perhaps some additional work on the same path could eliminate the small imperfections? I find it a pity, really, that it is only such a small step from being perfect.
And a also a pity that you can't recall the used techniques, which are always a part of the creative process too. In this sense any pieces of arts are always accompanied by the exact description of the used methods. Unfortunately your methods are gone for ever now, unless some lucky coincidence would bring them back to you. BTW, the history protocoll of PS does a good job for keeping track of what one did.
To be only delirious, but unconcsiously delirious, while creating resembles the guitarist who simply strumples the strings expecting to get "something", doesn't it? ;-) But on the other hand, many a "musician" seems to do that nowadays on the try to reach the conscious guitar delirium of somebody like Eddie Van Halen. ;-)
Best wishes, and especially better than best wishes for regaining the techniques you used for this one.
Nick
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Aniko Heart
{K:26503} 7/9/2007
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Your comments are highly appreciated Nick.
Yes, I understand what you are saying. I am also a painter, a free hand drawer and musician/composer, performer and poster designer, involved with fashion and theatre... etc etc... all art is one art to me.
I was not so careful with the details of this image. That is apparent.
I cannot even recall which techniques I employed in my delirious state to achieve this work. I have no secrets here... I just don't note down all that I do. No record keep as such, but rather to go with the flow or the beat that is pounding within me at the time...
Grateful for your taking the time to view and comment.
Best Wishes,
Aniko :)
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/9/2007
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It is not totally incorrect - quite the contrary, Aniko! It is almost "correct" whatever the word might mean. Or let's better say, it has its own almost "undisturbed character" with only some details that do not fit its general look and feel. I guess you were just doing without paying so much attention to the details?
It looks like the typical result of a very modern way to "shift" contours against each other - much like controlled spill-over of the contents of some region of the image into some of its adjacent regions. The technique is used very often in free hand drawings and also for posters of such things like theater plays, fashion shows and the like, in order to give some "collage-like" effect - something that looks as if it were constructed out of some few pieces of different hues.
So the atmosphere here goes a somewhat abstract way, but it still retains the main things necessary for recognizing that it is a photo.
The only deviations from the overall look and feel are:
1) The collar and the hair at the left of the face, since they are the only regions with texture and they contradict the rest of the rather flat color-fill regions, out of which the character of the image is composed.
2) The shadow at the left of the left eye. It doesn't really fit the strong highlight and the geometrized nature of the face.
These little things "interrupt" the character of the image. They destroy the perfection of the design, which still is strong enough for making the image very remarkable.
Could you tell some more details about that "playing" with PS and what steps you did?
Best wishes,
Nick
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Shirley D. Cross-Taylor
{K:174058} 6/9/2007
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You're welcome, dear Aniko!:)
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Srna Stankovic
{K:172232} 6/8/2007
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Hey dear Aniko, I saw what is wrong with it, but that is technically ... I was talking about her expression and emotions :))))
Do it my dear if you have time :))))
Loveeeeee
Srna
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Aniko Heart
{K:26503} 6/8/2007
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My Dear Srna!
You are too kind.
Far from perfect... I am thinking of reworking this image if I get a breath! :)
Thank you so much and Warm Hugs!
Aniko :)
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Aniko Heart
{K:26503} 6/8/2007
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What a lovely thing to say Dear Biljana!
Thank you my friend, and Warm hugs!
Aniko :)
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Aniko Heart
{K:26503} 6/8/2007
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Awww... Thank you Dave!
Hugs to you!
Ani :)
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Aniko Heart
{K:26503} 6/8/2007
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Thank you Dear Shirley!
Hugs~
Aniko :)
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Aniko Heart
{K:26503} 6/8/2007
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Hi Paul!
Yes, I think agree regarding the "shadow" on her right temple. Perhaps a few other slight "modifactions" as well.
Thank you my friend,
Ani :)
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Srna Stankovic
{K:172232} 6/8/2007
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PERFECT dearest Aniko :)))) Sensual and dreamful ...
Love
Srna
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biljana mitrovic
{K:48110} 6/8/2007
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Wonderful portrait with so many words inside:))))
great my friend
hugs
biljana
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Dave Arnold
{K:55680} 6/5/2007
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That portrait is so you, your typical great portrait work... and I like the effects you've applied, too!
Hugs,
Dave
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Shirley D. Cross-Taylor
{K:174058} 6/5/2007
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I do like it very much, dear Aniko!:)
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Paul Lara
{K:88111} 6/5/2007
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I've been studying this, and I'd clone out the 'shadow' on her right temple, Ani.
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Paul Lara
{K:88111} 6/5/2007
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Yeah, I LIKE it, Ani!
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