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Photographer Nick Karagiaouroglou  Nick Karagiaouroglou {Karma:127263}
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About If even the number of particles in the universe is not infinite but "only" very big, what is then the meaning of such gigantic numbers as 638^23^256 - or any other expression that no computer on this world can calculate? If we can write down such an expression without being able to calculate the corresponding number, could it be that expressions are... more elementary than numbers?
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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 9/15/2006
We know some *kinds* of infinity, but it seems that our mathematics are still tooooooo weak to grasp it perfectly.

Cheers on that, and go on searching!

Nick

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 9/15/2006
Hi Justin!

Many thanks for the inspiring comment!

And oh, oh, oh!

Well, physics first. A black hole is *not* something we have observed with absolute confidence. It is something that relativity/gravitation *predict* and we still search for it. Though this predicted object does touch infinity, the question about infinity itself is not a question of physics. It is a question of mathematics! In physics, if some of our super-great-range instruments register something that is even bigger than we can measure, we often call it "infinity" but only for practical purposes. That is: For ease of calculation.$

In mathematics however, the "ease of calculation" plays only a secondary role. It is the very essence of such questions that is of interest. And so: What is the meaning of the expression 638^23^256 if we can't compute it as a *number* but we can still write it down as an expression? We thought that numbers asre more elementary than expressions, but in such a case we could also say that expressions are more elementary than numbers?

????

Further on! What is the difference between that, that is "too big for us", and infinity?

These questions are do not depend on black holes or anything else that we might experience with our sences. They depend on purest thought. In fact, mathematics is the only science that you could do, should you wake up in the morning and discover that the whole universe is... gone! ;-)

Nice to connect forography to maths, isn't it? Though the only meaning of questions is that they are questions within questions! Oh well, I get my papers and mentally go down the theorems avenue! ;-)

Many thanks for the inspiring comment again!

Nick

As about the mathematical quest for infinity, let there be said:

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justin ames   {K:1860} 9/15/2006
i know i'm very confused.

certainly, if there IS a black hole, which i strongly doubt, it assuredly has taken up residence in Stephen Hawking's vile abdomen, and is slowly, excruciatingly, absorbing mr. h's erstwhile body atom by atom into itself.

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 5/3/2006
Thank you very much, Steve!

I also think that the flares in this case don't add to the image, though in other cases they can be great.

Thanky again and best wishes!

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Steve Aronoff Steve Aronoff   {K:18393} 5/3/2006
Really beautiful, Nick. I love the muted tones. Nice capture of the sun's rays. I only wish the lens flare wasn't there. But that's minor.
Steve

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 5/2/2006
Many many thanks for the great detailed critique, Giuseppe!

That shore of lake Geneva is really ideal for photography!

Cheers,
Nick

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 5/2/2006
Gracias por el comentario bueno, Alicia.

La cosa es ésa de cierto tamaño de cosas que no podemos no más distinguimos entre infinito y muy grande verdaderos.

Pero si satisface los ojos, después vamos pensar en infinito hacia fuera allí en el horizonte.

¡Recuerdos!

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Giuseppe Guadagno Giuseppe Guadagno   {K:34002} 5/2/2006
Both: lower very big, upper infinite.
Beautiful photo Nick! There are all possible tones of lights, from the breaking almost white beam to the almost dim in the orizon. And I love the colours of the lake: changing hues and shining reflections.
Bravissimo.
Ciao Nick.

Giuseppe

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Alicia Popp   {K:87532} 5/2/2006
Hummm... buena pregunta verdad?... la toma preciosa , siempre veo al infinito cuando tengo estas fotos donde el horizonte se simplifica a una línea!.
Felicitaciones!

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