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Andy Seehusen
{K:3372} 5/14/2008
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Great shot Hugo, I'd like to thank you for sharing an interesting photo and starting a very informative discussion. I'm learning quite a bit.
I agree with Kiarang that a closer crop to the people gives a little more impact. The photo works very well, it is an excellent shot.
andy
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Shirley D. Cross-Taylor
{K:174124} 5/13/2008
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Fantastic shot, Hugo...Congratulations!:)
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Maryam Sahafzadeh
{K:3380} 1/10/2007
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cong's ,it is special journalist shot.
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N3ma Allah Hisham
{K:5465} 11/22/2006
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it's really very impressive one.. your words about that cold monstrous r so true..I don't like such places...unhuman places..u can't feel the blue sky..the green plants...I feel died there..
I like the contrast there..although the warm colours u can feel the unpleasant and cold mood here..
very well done..great mood ..
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Jose Ignacio (Nacho) Garcia Barcia
{K:96391} 11/1/2006
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great details. marvelous composition. professional. 7
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Patrizia Patdil
{K:3079} 7/4/2006
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Dear Hugo, great and very powerful image.
I appreciate also the quality of comments, your useful answers and the idea of presenting the two “dissimilar” versions. It is stimulating.
I looked very carefully the differences between the crops (to be honest I was not much surprised to find them quite identical). I think that the Michael’s choice to leave more space on the right is a better solution. This due to the fact that volume coming out from the floor keeps an horizontal line, which helps to equilibrate the composition that tends to bend (just a little) to the right.
From your version I appreciate the more severe cut on the top. However the space you left is still enough to transmit the idea of dominating machinery, the value of the light on the top is increased and the beam helps to guide the attention to the centre.
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 6/14/2006
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Hi Chris,
I agree, the differences are pretty minute, virtually nonexistent.
A bit of bg info, these people are students, being explained how it works. The main operation of this beast happens in a huge control room, with about 2 people, and a crew of 4 standing by 24/7...
I've been rather busy, but I'll be around soon.
Cheers,
hugo
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Chris Boivin
{K:9030} 6/8/2006
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Hugo,
I looked at both images and compared them... I think I could look at them for a long time and not really find any obvious differences.
About the picture itself I like the contrast of the orange overcoats compared to the rest of the metal machinery. It gives me a feeling that it takes all of these people to tame the beast. Post processing is an art on it's own and sometimes can have very different effects. This time it didn't but I would have also assumed it would. I find peoples' personal tastes come out after post processing.
An excellent series, I enjoyed it very much.
All the best,
Chris
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Maurizio Massetti
{K:30463} 5/1/2006
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Excellent shot, interesting situation!
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Emmanuel Panagiotakis
{K:6267} 3/21/2006
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Very nice portfolio nice pictures very colorful
excellent details !!!!!!!!!
well-done
Emmanuel
PS: Thanks for taking your time and Critique my photo it is appreciated
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 3/19/2006
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The strong, almost indestructible machine, and those tiny ones who invented it seem to face it with respect. But they work with it.
Is it a helper or a threat? Or both?
A very suggestive foto right out of life. And also excellently made!
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Leo Régnier ЯŁ
{K:67696} 3/10/2006
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Very very nice!!!
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Joăo F * Photography
{K:41945} 2/26/2006
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I love this shot Hugo... i go put htis in my favorites...
joăo
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ken krishnan
{K:19102} 2/20/2006
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Hi Hugo,
Looks like a group of people have come together to "mourn" for the monsterous beast's demise and to conjure up another monsterous beast somewhere else !
Such is human way of life.
Nice capture and thought provoking post.
regards,
ken.
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Antonia BauerleinSehnert
{K:30599} 2/12/2006
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Adore this one. The toning and color are superb. The noise is really not bad at all considering you are at 800 ISO with the D100. That is my nit with this camera, and I am loath to use it at 800 on close-ups for this reason. But in this image, it seems it served you well. Also, this is nice and crisp. The moment is ripe for a photo, and you nailed it. Hugs. Antonia
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carlo raingini
{K:11977} 2/6/2006
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great colors, interesting moment. congrats dear Hugo,
carlo
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Andrej V
{K:6693} 2/5/2006
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Nice composition with a bit distracting darkness on the top of the image (for me); It could be interesting to se the machinery going to eternity.
If you had a ceiling there, darkening it was a good choice!
Andre
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Saeed Al Shamsi
{K:47735} 2/4/2006
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I like the details of the huge machinery appears from the dark surrounding, with the people standing as of discussing an important issue, although its good to have some of the faces towards the capture, other wise will be like a candid shot, but your way shows a very good journalism arrangement where its comes with un staged preparation and capture. The foreground cropped or left as it is a matter of individual taste.
Cheers.
Saeed
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Mireille Heirendt
{K:7258} 2/4/2006
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Hi Hugo,
And another very powerful in this series...powerful re beast, colours but also composition:all these people looking like Barbie dolls ;-) in front of this huge machine.
Excellent capture again!!!
Regards, Mireille
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Vandy Neculae
{K:7990} 2/4/2006
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Very impressive shot.
Good work
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Jan Symank
{K:22030} 2/3/2006
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Hi Hugo !!!
This looks dramatic with the dangerous orange colour .Very interesting moment you captured here.
Regards :)
Jan
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Ina Nicolae
{K:44481} 2/3/2006
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Hello Hugo, and thanks for the info on the orange coats. I tried a number of PS versions in color and didn't produce anything better, so you have reached the pinnacle for this picture in PS terms, or should I say "CS2 terms" (envy) :)
I did however a couple in desaturated, multiple filters and recolored - and get a different picture, one that's suited for the title "Inferno" - I also realize this is a documentary image, and such treatment is out of question, since it alters reality, and places a subjective view on the people and the environment. Also, I think my version(s) are not going to match your series, since the orange color - apart from the frame - is what connects the three images. So I abstain from posting it here :) Cheers, Ina
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Ina Nicolae
{K:44481} 2/3/2006
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He-he Michael I'm using PS 7 too, ;-)
I also noticed when I downloaded Hugo's picture to give it my best shot - which didn't produce anything different in color, therefore I didn't post it - that Hugo uses guidelines and leaves them in place. Strange that this would carry over to UF.
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Michael Kanemoto
{K:22115} 2/3/2006
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Hugo:
CS2?
(envy)
(envy)
(envy)
I have to rock it old school with PS 7.
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 2/3/2006
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Interesting... I didn't notice that before. I've compared Michael's version to the one I have on disk, and it looks identical to me. I'll pay a bit more attention to it. I do notice a huge difference between the tone of the thumbnails and the medium sized photos compared to the full sized ones (including pano's) though...
Cheers,
Hugo
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Randy Lorance
{K:24769} 2/3/2006
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The problem I seem to have is only on 'attachments' not the main post, but it may be my fault.
Randy
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 2/3/2006
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Hi Randy, that's exactly what they're used for....:) Thanks for your feedback, much appreciated.
The lack of "Crispness" as you say, might well be because of the difference in performance between the D100 and the D2x. The D100 tends to generate more noise in low / difficult lighting conditions. Michael used the untouched original photo too. If processed properly, I don't think uploading to UF shouldn't make that big a difference... (at least, that's what I like to believe...)
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 2/3/2006
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Hi Jude, Thanks for the feedback. I agree with you on the different crop. My deliberations were more based on creating a centered set-up of the image, balance the space between the left and right edges and the group of people. I think all other differences can be neglected, as they're peripheral.
Thanks for the vote of confidence on the frame...:)
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 2/3/2006
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Hi Mike, Thanks. I was surprised by how small the differences were. I didn't look at yours when I processed this one. My workflow was as follows:
1. Rotated the image a tad
2. Cropped out a bit on top and on the right of the image
3. Used PSCS2's Shadow Highlight tool to push the brightness and contrasts in the background.
That's it. Nothing more, nothing less...:)
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 2/3/2006
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Hi Lori, thanks for your feedback. As to the rotation, done that already. What you perceive is IMO a deception of the eye. II used the measurement tool to align the horizon...:)
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 2/3/2006
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Hi Max, thanks for your feedback. Interesting thought about a B&W version. To be honest, it didn't even cross my mind. First of all, because of the intention of this shot, which is being used for brochures and promotion. Now you mention it, I believe it might work, but it isn't really needed here; B&W does serve a purpose, but with digital photography, it's also widely misused to create an atmosphere. I believe this shot shows the feel of the furnace pretty well. Converting it to B&W would only dramatise it, wouldn't you think?
As to the clean interior, with Dutch environmental laws, these factories are the cleanest in the world, so Im' told....
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 2/3/2006
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Hi Marcus, I quite agree, the differences are rather neglectible. Yet, I found it interesting to see how both Michael and myself came up with the same solution - it does differ in tonalities and contrast from the original one.... Thanks for your feedback.
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 2/3/2006
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Hi Karen, thank you very much for your elaborate feedback. It's of great use in assessing one's own photos. I see exactly what I mean, and even though it deals with the composition within a scene, in which the people are a mere part of the scene, and are (intended to) serve a function within the greater, you describe the elements beyond my control or planning that I noticed and picked out too. The saturation of the orange coats does change the primary subject...
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 2/3/2006
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Hi Verena, thanks for your feedback. The differences between Michaels' version and mine are only minor. Your thought, however, is a good one... I like to believe so, only the evidence provided by the world around is isn't very strong. But considering the extremely high safety precautions in these factories, this process is controlled very well....
The Orange is a coincidence, not a reference.. hehehehee...:)
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 2/3/2006
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Thanks, Roger! Much appreciated. The reference to religion brings a smile to my face, yet I realise the title does that too. The God of Iron... heheheh... Maybe I should insist they put that in the brochure...:)
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 2/3/2006
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Hi Ina, thank you very much for your feedback. Of course you can have a go at it too... It's a little thing Michael, Tom Rumland and Myself came up with about a year ago. Each one of us submitted one photo to be post-processed by each of us. It resulted in a quite interesting discussion, addressing the difference between post processing with knowledge about the peripheral surroundings of the scene and how others perceive it. Quite interesting. thanks for your feedback, I agree the two versions are quite similar, and I like your points.
The orange coats are a safety precaution. They're flame retarding coats. The place itself is huge (as you know) the Blast furnace is about 113m in height, producing nearly 7 million tons of pig-iron per year.
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 2/3/2006
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Hi Jeanette, thanks for the feedback. I agree, cutting the floor doesn't really do justice to this shot. The difference between Michaels' version and mine is, apart from a different crop, neglectible, I believe.
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 2/3/2006
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Hi Joggie, thanks for the feedback. I agree, the difference between the two versions is neglectible. The only difference is a slightly different crop. I only realised the difference was this small when I uploaded both, and put them side to side.
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 2/3/2006
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Thanks Ace, Much appreciated!
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 2/3/2006
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Hi Kiarang, thanks for your suggestions. I really appreciate them, as they help me see my own photos in a different perspective.
In this case, however, I believe both of your suggestions remove the element of size compared to my version. That's also because I know the sheer size of this place; with a height of 113m, producing an average of 7 Million tons of raw Iron a year as well as it's ruggedness,
I don't think the rectangular crop does justice to this photo. It's the pavement in front which, IMO, creates the prelude to the hard core industrial machinery. The people place it in perspective, and the dark top allows the user to appreciate the height.
The square crop boxes everything in a bit, creating the feel of a narrow, full and small place.
Thanks for your thoughts and efforts, though. Again, Much appreciated! I hope you see what I mean with my explanation.
Cheers,
Hugo
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Randy Lorance
{K:24769} 2/3/2006
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Hi Hugo, i had expressed surprise seeing II in this series and really was curious to see how you ended it. You did well and this series amounts to a nice little story told. I like the spectrum these 3 photographs cover. They could be in a pamplet or brochure with part II on the cover.
It always interests me-the important little things in an image that together form the strong whole. In this case I would point out the lights at top, the coiled tubing on machine arm center right, and the gent at center with folded hands at back. As for the alternate version, you,re correct that they are pretty close, noticing his is a bit darker and a 'crispness' not especially positive for this picture, but I've been disappointed a couple times with quality loss when I've left attachments.
Randy
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 2/3/2006
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Hi Deniz, Thanks for your honest feedback. Just curious. What don't you like about this shot, and what would you have done to improve on it?
Cheers,
Hugo
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jude .
{K:14625} 2/3/2006
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Hi Hugo...while this image stands beautifully alone, it's a terrific addition to this series and balances it perfectly.
As to the two different versions, I think I tend to lean towards Michael's just a little in that I like the added space above, below and to the right...it gives me a greater sense of the vastness of that huge, dark room. Other than that, I can see no difference between the two versions.
A terrific photo, Hugo, perfectly composed and captured, and a most satisfying series. And yes...I finally think the frame works. *smile*
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deniz cesmeci
{K:5726} 2/2/2006
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no commets :( im sorry
you had realy much better images
on this image i think only the light is okey and the orange colour
its for me intersting becouse i`m mechanikal enginer but the art of this image sorry ....:(
best regards
have a nice day
see you soon 
deniz cesmeci
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Rob Ernsting
{K:8899} 2/2/2006
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Your colors are more vivid but judging from the small size, I think that your friends pic tends to be more natural colored.
A nice industrial picture. Well done.
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luca lamberti
{K:492} 2/2/2006
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Very good photo , compliment.
luca
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Thilo Bayer
{K:50358} 2/2/2006
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Hi Hugo,
the men versus the machine, orange versus brown, red helmets versus orange verticals... well, there are so many contrasts in this image, I could watch for hours ;-) Great image and great moment.
best wishes,
Thilo
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Paolo Corradini
{K:59552} 2/2/2006
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this is a great reportage image! excellent view and description!
PAOLO
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kike Calvo
{K:11291} 2/2/2006
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Hola Hugo. En primer lugar quiero decir que la foto es muy buena. Me gusta la escena y la combinación de colores, todos en gama. En cuanto al postproceso, creo que me quedo con la tuya, me gusta más la atmósfera que desprende, como cierras la imagen y la saturación de colores. La edición de Michel puede que sea más documental y se acerque más a la escena real, pero me quedo con la tuya.
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Brian Fillmore
{K:4016} 2/2/2006
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Very interesting image and colours are great. Detail in the bricks on the floor makes a nice contrast to everything else.
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Michael Kanemoto
{K:22115} 2/2/2006
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Hugo:
I can barely see the differences. I know that I boosed saturation around the people and desaturated the background. I also know I used levels to darken the background.
I think you maybe did the same thing.
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Roberto Arcari Farinetti
{K:209486} 2/2/2006
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a stage in the industries.. anice nice, idea for the "orange point".. many people, many head.. a nice contrast with the hard machinery with a good light!
another great work my friend.. have all the best!
cheers
roby
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Don Loseke
{K:32503} 2/2/2006
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I like yours Hugo, it is less saturated and looks more natural. This makes me think that there are too many chiefs and not enough indians as we say here in USA. Great exposure and interest. Don.
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Lori Stitt
{K:75282} 2/2/2006
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BRAVO Hugo,
I like this one a lot. Love the deep colors and composition. Very interesting. (and this one is the one I like)
Only thing I would change would be to rotate it just a 'little tad' counter clockwise.
Beautiful details in this superb image.
Good job, as usual,
Lori ;)
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Gorilla K
{K:17526} 2/1/2006
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hi Hugo,
das ist eine sehr schöne industrie-aufnahme...großartiger bildaufbau,perfekte beleuchtung und sehr ausdrucksstark!!!
best regards,
Winfried
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Massimo Di Maggio
{K:-53658} 2/1/2006
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The colors, above all the men in orange, give a sense of humanity to a place I associate with hard, repetitive and alienating work, I would have done it in BN, but maybe dutch factories are not so depressing as italian ones ;) I followed the other comments and PS exercises with interest, unfortunately I’m not a PS expert and I can’t give you my interpretation, but I like the way you saw the scene (frame apart… hahaha!!!!) Bye, Max
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Nuno Murias
{K:5323} 2/1/2006
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~I think there not much you cna add or retouch, this picture has a story and no matter how you process the picture or cut the story remains there...wich porves this is a GREAT picture.
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Markus Scholz
{K:23722} 2/1/2006
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To be honest, Hugo, but the differences in both versions are really almost not existent. I can see more crop at the top in your version and there is the framing! This distinguishes both versions from each other. And with the framing yours is clearly the winner in my opinion. it brings out the contrasts and gives it more depth. It is simply excellent.
Regards, Markus
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greg collins
{K:12273} 2/1/2006
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Love the orange coats - really contrasts well in this industral setting. They look like they are deep in thought - problem solving.
Regards Greg
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NN
{K:26787} 2/1/2006
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Hi Hugo! Again - very interesting and different approaches to the same theme. All three are very good. This one fascinates as the machine looks so huge and dominating, still it´s nothing without the small men in front of it. The orange coats play an important role here, providing a very much needed splash of colour. Excellent border!
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Robert Kocs
{K:89085} 2/1/2006
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Very exciting composition, lovely details. The orange colours against the deep dark background are very striking contrast. Great documentary photograph, lovely theme. Really nice work dear Hugo! :)
Cheers!
Robert
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Mohamed Banna
{K:34237} 2/1/2006
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amazing team work
a shot to learn from it
learn how to work
and learn how to compose with a perfect use of colors and tones
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karen clarke
{K:18893} 2/1/2006
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I guess the way I feel about the whole thing is this:
Sometimes the little things do matter and are of importance in an image. As with this case, it doesn't really matter. The only difference I could tell was the orange coats. It's not that much of a difference between the two to make you feel that one is better than the other.
What appeals to me the most in this image is the contrast of the orange coats vs. the dull color of the machinery. When you brighten the color of the orange, yes it is a bit more appealing, but not necessary as it still serves it purpose.
Basically for me, to have an image be successful you need great composition and an interesting subject matter. If you have neither no amount of post processing can help you.
As for this image, my main focal point is the man wearing the yellow pants. Its not overly bright, but it is different, which makes it stand out. Next my eye moves to the man with his hands behind his back. From there it travels over to the bit of green on the sign. After that it lands on the lowest arm of the machine, then pretty much zig zags from there. Another part of the image I really like is that with the human figures below, it shows you just how massive this machine really is. And then there is the individuality of each person who stands there.
Nice work Hugo~
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Verena Rentrop
{K:15233} 2/1/2006
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beside of a slight crop on the right side...what have been re-worked...agree that differences are hard to find :)
the composition which shows humans overrolled from technic...I find it amazing to see that people output gets easily higher...wider...are we still able to control what we do?
Take care
Verena
PS: oranje overall around you ;)
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Roger Williams
{K:86139} 2/1/2006
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I like this one a lot, Hugo. The novitiates in their orange robes listen to the high priest in his distinctive white hat before the altar to the god of iron! I prefer the slightly less saturated (= more natural) colours in your version than Michael's, and I like the crop as it is, with dark space above the machine and lighter foreground at the bottom. In fact I wouldn't change a thing!
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Ina Nicolae
{K:44481} 2/1/2006
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Hello Hugo, so is this a free for all photoshopping session? Can I have a go at it? You certainly have captured a very interesting aspect of this industrial environment. The most striking thing is the relationship between men and "the machine" - it reminds me of Pink Floyd "Welcome to the Machine" :
Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
Where have you been?
It's alright we know where you've been.
.... :))))
Having said this, I think the orange coats have the same photographic impact as the Buddhist monks photographed on old temple grounds, it strikes me this way, although I don't suppose this had anything to do with Zen. As far as the PS-ing goes, there are all minor variations, with my preference for the darker more toned down orange, and a bit less ground, but it's really more or less along your lines, just a tad more red/magenta and less yellow, which has a more painterly look, and I like the higher dark space at the top, it makes the people look smaller.
Really intriguing image, works very well with the series and with the frame, great subject and of great interest. Very original - best regards, Ina
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alberto baez duarte
{K:8175} 1/31/2006
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Excellent picture Hugo...!! congratulations...it sure is a super photo...I like it very much...
regards.
alberto.
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Adelino Barreto
{K:12661} 1/31/2006
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Good photo.
Regards.
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Jeanette Hägglund
{K:59855} 1/31/2006
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I think i like his version better when it´s about the machine, of the reason that the tonality in dark areas are better.
But no cut under their feet is neccesary.
Jeanette
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Jeanette Hägglund
{K:59855} 1/31/2006
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Cool - a big machine, a group of men in orange rocks and helmets... Discussing something...we can´t know, we just guess, the machine big and impressive 'behind and above them. I shall check Michaels version and come back!
Jeanette
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Joggie van Staden
{K:41700} 1/31/2006
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Excellent image Hugo. The colours and tones are great. An appealing image which invites one to look again - so much detail to be seen. There is very little difference between yours and that of Michael - I would give both a 7+. Regards.
Joggie
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Dino Lupani
{K:15142} 1/31/2006
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Very impressive shot, congrats!!
Ciao
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Ace Star
{K:21040} 1/31/2006
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like i said i love your style :) what ever you capture it interest me! grt eye and perfect ccapture Hugo! keep up the good work
wish you all the best
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Ursula Luschnig
{K:21723} 1/31/2006
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Hi Hugo,I find it a most impressive machine...the orange men add a lot of life and colour (the orange of the fire repeated )...and an amazing correspondence in both your versions.
Cheers,Ursula
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Kiarang Alaei
{K:49415} 1/31/2006
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And crop can be in square form.
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 1/31/2006
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Hi Kambiz, you ask many questions...:) I'll try to answer them to the best of my abilities.
- Those hefty machines make iron from coal and ore.
- Those people in orange uniforms are students observing the technology and learning.
- Michal Kanemoto is not from my country.
- He wasn't there. I took this shot.
- Why? Because I was asked to take photos of this place
- The purpose is to see what different people can achieve during post-processing a photo in Photoshop, and see if the results differ. In this case they didn't, although I thought they would.
I appreciate your long comment too, but I'm interested to hear what you think of this photo, and what you'd done differently.
CHeers,
Hugo
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Kiarang Alaei
{K:49415} 1/31/2006
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Well, it is a very thoughtful photograph,the angle showes a documentary happening that photographer is just a viewer and catcher and dosn't want to join to the group,but more than it, it's the "composition study" and "contrast" that keep my attention to this shot. contrast of orangy clothes with all irons in upper part with this composition mean a lot, although i think that the composition is a bit busy (IMHO) and could be more impressive with some croping the empty spaces in foreground and in the top of the shot. about the project you have used, i have some corious. "Night photography"!!, meybe it realy needs a new project , some things like "Inner atmospheres" or " People in Work". thanks for share Hugo and hope to find more of this location and series by you!
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Kambiz K
{K:37420} 1/31/2006
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I appreciate your long comment, but tell the truth I lost in the middle.
What those hefty machinary do and who are those people with orange uniforms?
Is Michael Kanemoto from your country? and both were in the same place take shot from those people? Why? What is the purpose of such exercise?
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 1/31/2006
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Per attached, Michael Kanemoto's version of the same image
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