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Howard M. Parsons
{K:3496} 10/8/2005
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Great composition; high impact photo.
I agree with the comment below regarding the magenta fence.
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Sarah Per Lee
{K:2477} 10/8/2005
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Beautiful country side Anthony. Neat fence. Makes for nice lines! That would have been interesting to see the shadows cast across the road. I too have mixed feelings about PS and presentation (I'm struggling as well). Oh well. I figure to each his own! Thank you for your reply to my comment on Kathy's picture. I concur and also hope that all is well! Yikes! :-) Your Amish series is pretty interesting. Well done. Best regards.
Sarah
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Ina Nicolae
{K:44481} 10/6/2005
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Re: Photoshop and fake skies? My opinion: I have no problem with that. What matters in the end is how good the image is. As to how it was manipulated, there is no way of policing this. You may have a poor image and make it wonderful in PS. So, some people have more camera than others; some have more filters; some have better PS skills. This is a sport where money matters: a better camera, a better lens, more money to travel to exotic destinations, etc. So in the end, we're all running the same race from different starting points. Does it matter if an artist looks at a live model and draws, and another traces a picture? No. We're not measuring camera knowledge, or technicalities. We're creating images. To be able to measure technical skills, we'd all need to see the same sunset, with the same lens and the same camera. How you arrive to your image doesn't matter to me. Important is the esthetic quality aspect, and/or the message - if any, in the final product. If the image has a documentary purpose, then it needs to stay true to its subject. For the rest, in my opinion, anything goes.
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Anthony Lound
{K:6661} 10/6/2005
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I think that is a very appealing image Ina! I am sorry that I didn't quite get your point earlier. When you have time, I'd like to hear your take on my comments above though! Maybe I should post in the Forum and start off a debate? I think it would be interesting and fun.
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Ina Nicolae
{K:44481} 10/5/2005
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Hi Ant, the color correction wasn't meant as a final image, it was meant just to show you that clearly magenta was the culprit. I realize that the trees had a rusty color, you have to selectively add and remove magenta where it belongs. I didn't do this step - it's too involved. Now, having said this, today I got back my Canon, and went out and saw an "Ant" fence (!) - so here it is :) It has problems (shadow, focus, etc.) I won't publish it - but just for fun:
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Anthony Lound
{K:6661} 10/5/2005
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Ina, please see my response to your sage and hugely welcome comments on my "Amish Country XVI" landscape. Here I fell into a similar trap, namely playing about (manually) with colour balance in PS till the whole image became somewhat "fake". I've said before elsewhere that the Nikon D70's images straight off cam (RAW) always look flat and underexposed, by design (to permit a wider range of post-processing correction). For ME at least, I tend sometimes to over-react to this off-cam insipidness in PS, and as I said earlier, I'm often too fond of "pop" in an image.
Having said all that, this image was taken in late September and there was rather more of a burnished, golden tone overall, which I clearly overdid in this image. With magenta removed however, it looks like lush May to me, so for this particular subject I think a point midway might be more "accurate". BUT this raises a question I put to our mutual friend Kathy Hillier the other day: where is the boundary between "photoart" and purely "documentary photography"? IS there one?
For instance, some folk on here replace entire skies, imported from libraries presumably labelled "dramatic skyscapes", and yet they do not describe their pics as "photoart". They seem to have no problem with this, including many award winners. Are these people merely painting with light? What is the photographer communicating to us? Could it be construed as "dishonest", and if so, against what criteria? Does it matter whether a sky has been added, that colours don't look "natural" or "accurate"? I do not know. I must admit though that unless an image is qualified on here as "photoart" or "alternative process" I broadly agree with you that "documentary photography" - images of record if you will - should receive minimal PS "treatment". Whether cloning out power lines for example, or other subjectively objectionable elements in a capture amounts to "photoart" I am not sure, and I return to the issue of boundaries and definitions.
Kindest Regards,
Anthony
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Ina Nicolae
{K:44481} 10/5/2005
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Hi Ant, Beautiful image, more interest in this one than in the other, the alley, the fence and its perfectly woven shadow lead the eye toward a mystery vanishing point, beautiful curves, movement, and greens. Now I see so much magenta in this picture, I don't know what's happening! The alley is pink, the fence is reddish. I did a correction (removed magenta from your colors) - see if you can see the difference. Do you use "auto-levels" that usually adds the magenta.
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Damion Hamilton
{K:853} 10/5/2005
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Anthony,
The fence across this shot just makes you wonder where the road leads. Beautiful composition..wonderful..WONDERFUL capture!!
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Jim Budrakey
{K:24393} 10/5/2005
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Strong composition with a nice feeling of depth.
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Anthony Lound
{K:6661} 10/5/2005
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As always Kathy, your comments count for me. I'm slightly struggling with the issue of photoart, versus straightforward recording, versus PS fakery. For example, some ppl add skies that were not there, but the authors do not qualify their image by including the "photoart" label. Adunno, how do we define photography?
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Anthony Lound
{K:6661} 10/5/2005
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Many thanks Roberto!
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Anthony Lound
{K:6661} 10/5/2005
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Dear Gabriela, yes I know - it's impossible isn't it? But let us be philosophical :) I'm crazy about architecture and your image in my eyes is all about that great structure. Others will take a different view and enjoy the birds! Who knows? It's part of the fun!
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Kathy Hillard
{K:25721} 10/5/2005
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Even the short shadow is pretty cool, Anthony! Creates a great effect! I still love this series!!!
Kathy
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Gabriela Tanaka
{K:16594} 10/5/2005
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Oh! wonderful shot, Anthony!!!The intricate pattern of the fence and its shadow is eye-catching in this peaceful landscape shot!I love the angle of shooting!
About my castle photo and your comment - it is really strange how different people look at one and the same photo!!! Some of the viewers loved only the pigeons, you find them a bother! But....I thank you for your comments, dear Friend! Best regards from Gabriela
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Roberto Bertone
{K:13239} 10/5/2005
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Bellissima immagine, composizione e colore!!!!
Compl.!!
Saluti.
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