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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/10/2007
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Well, it made perfect sense, Andre! That was exactly what I meant. I can only be glad if the very concept of "beauty" is expanded beyond the purely visual. I also think that photography contributed very much to this by introducing images that cannot be named "beautiful" in the traditional sense of the word, but still convey so much that they are beautiful in their own way - like the dirt-caked hands of the farmer. One has to have a very "thick skin" to not understand the beauty of such an image.
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/9/2007
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Hi Nick,
I understand you completely. I also believe that there are many people that also appreciate the "beauty" in things like blood, sweat and tears on an boxer's face after a match. Or, the dirt-caked hands of an honest farmer after a day's work. Your example of the common bar is also perfect for the scenario.
Some advertisers market this form of "anti-beauty" very well. Over here in North America, there is a Jack Daniels (whiskey) ad on tv lately that shows a lot of gritty still images of the inside of high class bars and low class saloons. At the end of the ad, the text reads something like this. "....being enjoyed at high class bars and questionable establishments everywhere" The ambiance and atmosphere comes across as attractive in both cases. I hope this makes sense.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/9/2007
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Andre, the strange thing about the sentimentality I meant is that it is very one-sided. It generates some kind of solidified impression that (for example) beauty is to be found exclusively in some flower, while a side street bar with some cans of beer in front of it can be only ugly. Now, of course I can't deny the sinsibilization that it causes towards *some* forms of beauty, but I see that it also can makes blind towards other forms that might prove deeper, more mature at the end. To stay at the example with that bar, well, some guys sittig in there, perhaps not quite "presentable" (;-)) but for a few minutes they have perhaps some escape from the pressure they are under. The bar is then beautiful to me, even if it doesn't have a single pot of flowers in front of it. But that kind of one-sided sentimentality might name it ugly. I hope I could make understandable what I mean.
Very difficult thing that beauty! ;-)
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/8/2007
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Hi Nick,
I agree with you on everything you say in this reply Nick. There are so many different kinds of beauty to appreciate. So many wonderful images to appreciate and so little time. Sentimental images have their place too, but it is nice to be able to appreciate beauty with some "edge" to it. Your recent City Scapes are a good example of beauty with grit.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/8/2007
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Thanks again, Mahassa!
Cheers,
Nick
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Elle Elle
{K:10958} 10/6/2007
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come on!
anyway beautiful,
best, mahassa
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/4/2007
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OK, Mahassa, now we got it!
This is not a reflection. This is the light in front of the entrance of a small fabric. There is a delivery/loading platform right in front of the blue door where you see the series of containers. The train just comes in, on the rails that you see right below the platform, and so the load can be made easily.
So, if the impression was that this is a reflection on a train, then the image was... errrm, a not very convincing depiction of reality. (Shame on me! :-D)
Nick
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Elle Elle
{K:10958} 10/4/2007
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yeah, exactly,
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/4/2007
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OK, do you mean the marked-up region? (If not, then mark-up what you mean.)
Cheers,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/4/2007
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Hi Andre!
Thank you very much for the time to look and for the comment. And thanks you above all for the link to your image, which I really enjoyed looking to. It's a shame that nobody gave a comment for it, but you see what I mean. Take some flower and post it and you have at once all the sentimentality of a teenie poetry album in hunderds of comments - together with minimal content. ;-) Do something that doesn't satisfy the "sunshine-flowers-beauty-romantic-tralala" needs of the wannabe "photographers" and perhaps you don't get a single comment!
Before I go for your image, I think you pointed out something very important, which I was not really quite aware about this series. It does contain much of "what remains after the chaos" or perhaps the isolation of the individual that is present also when a great number of individuals are there, but perhaps not as visible.
In some strange way now I remember your words about the view that some native might have had some thousands of years agon. Perhaps this can be said for this series too, but of course under different cirumstances. A view that some unknown "long distance runner" might have had - or might be having exactly now. I hope I could make it clear.
OK, now let me go for your image, so that it at least gets one of the more than well deserved comments. And a small question for the guys here - will we ever wake up from our sentimental dreams about the surface of "beauty"? Do we know any other kind of "beauty" than that on the sweeeeet images of flowers, leaves and similar?
Ciao Andre and many thanks again.
Nick
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Elle Elle
{K:10958} 10/3/2007
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I can't recognize whether it's a wall or the train on the left, but I mean the reflection on it, can you see it now?
mahassa
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/3/2007
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Hi Nick,
I am enjoying your "train station series" This kind of place is always interesting for depicting the chaos of city life. I like the perspective in this one.
Once again your series reminds me of something that I attempted as well a few years ago. Here is a slightly different take on City semi-chaos.
ps this one has been posted on Usefilm since 2005 and not a single comment :) I know you will find something to say :)
http://www.usefilm.com/Image.asp?ID=660748
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/2/2007
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Thanks a lot, Mahassa, for the nice comment!
But what reflection do you mean?
Best wishes,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/2/2007
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Ringraziamenti mólto, Claudia!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/2/2007
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Thank you very much for the nice comment, Parehan!
But inhowmuch does the title stand in contrast to "my photographic skills and vision"? (Well, "skills and vision" is a bit exaggerated for somebody like me. Still I look for them.) I understand the word "contrast" in that way, that the title is the "opposite" of the content of the image, and so I find your comment very interesting. Could you explain a bit more?
Best wishes,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/2/2007
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Thank you very much, Dave. Your comment encourages me, really!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/2/2007
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Thanks a lot, Muzamil!
All the best,
Nick
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Elle Elle
{K:10958} 10/2/2007
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nice one,
I like the reflection on the left very much,
best, mahassa
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Claudia Perilli
{K:31090} 10/1/2007
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Una bella composizione.
Claudia
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parehan .K
{K:27453} 10/1/2007
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The splurge of light gives that high a effect that stare into the distance.
Love the title which is in direct contrast of your photographic skills and vision.
Great capture dear Nick,
Warm regards,
parehan
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Dave Stacey
{K:150877} 9/30/2007
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You've certainly captured that feeling of loneliness and timelessness, Nick!
Dave.
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Muzamil Saleem
{K:1214} 9/29/2007
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nice colour
well done
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