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  Q. manipulation
david turnbull
Asked by david turnbull    (K=94) on 6/1/2009 
it occurs to me that photographers are forever attacking the question of TECHNICAL PERFECTION. If we contrast this to the view taken by those who recognise ART [as it exists in the media of painting]which appears to me to be far more accepting. A painting that mirrors the subject as a photograph does is judged along side that of impressionistic and abstract artists. what constitutes a WORK OF ART is very subjective and this is evidenced in the major galleries of the world; take a good look at Portrait and Landscape galleries....not every WORK OF ART is, as many would say, a true and exact likeness of the subject.
I am inclined to think that photographers should adopt a 'view' that is more subjective; does this image stop me, does it raise questions of doubt and intrigue, does it inspire, does it cause me to respond?
i am forever looking at images i have taken - some i am very proud of, some are planned many are accidental [or at best right time right moment right place].
the category detail on this site has reworked my way of thinking with regards to subject matter and as a result have found many good images amongst my collection-as i said the ART form Photography is very subjective.
david turnbull



    


Rashed Abdulla
 Rashed Abdulla  Donor  (K=163889) - Comment Date 6/1/2009
david turnbull , how you define Art and relate your 3 images to it, please ?

we usually saying "Let the baker Bakes troughs, even if eating"




Rashed Abdulla
 Rashed Abdulla  Donor  (K=163889) - Comment Date 6/1/2009
david turnbull , how you define Art and relate your 3 images to it, please ?

we usually saying "Let the baker Bakes the bread, even if he eating half of it"




david turnbull
 david turnbull   (K=94) - Comment Date 6/2/2009
Art=is a physical representation of an emotion. so the 3 images i have posted are; firstly how i saw the object, at the time i took the photograph and secondly how i classified each one in terms of the Project guidelines.
now in broader sense ART is an outlet of emotion and interpretation for the artist. then for the viewer an intellectual and emotional experience where the viewer may or may not reach an understanding of the work. for example 'the scream' which many would say is a masterpiece. in terms of photography the original photograph of 'Che Guevara'. this manipulated picture has become a generational icon of protest and i feel is a great photographic MASTERPIECE. But it only became so through some drastic darkroom work. My point was that too often i read and listen to the 'it is not technically perfect' argument which concludes that if an image fails to meet a select set of criteria it can not be considered as being worthy of reflection.
with regards to the images i have posted: they may not be 'technically perfect' and they may not be considered 'works of art'. but they are one persons attempt to communicate more than the visually obvious-which i think is the objective we all strive to achieve?
David




Nick Karagiaouroglou
 Nick Karagiaouroglou  Donor  (K=127263) - Comment Date 7/21/2009
Correction: Who told you, David, that "art is representation of an emotion"? Is that your "opinion"? Did you care to find out where the word "art" comes from? Any chance for relation with the wor "artificial" as the opposite of "what happens alone by nature"?

Restricting art to representation of an emotion is losing much too much of its possibilities. It is a representation but not only of "emotion". In general it is a representation, a reconstruction of whatever one might have in mind, be it a statement, an observation, some idea, some emotion too, anything at all. It is art at the moment at which the artificially made "thing" is generated in such a way that is represents exactly what the "thing" in mind was.

To do that one *has* to master the methods, the tools, the work perfectly. Or else, sit and write a good novel without knowing the alphabet. Technical perfection alone is not artistic work, of cours3e, but this doesn't imply that it is not as important. If you don't master it in such a way in order to reproduce exactly what you carry in mind, then the result can be only indidental. And incidence is not the subject of artistic work, since it is what would happen anyway right out of nature. Or do you think that the result of some event that was not intented by a human is automatically "art". OK, then we don't need to do anything at all for artistic work, since such events happen all around us all the time. We don't need to learn to play some instrument for making music, since incidentally striking some strings is already art.

If you think that the great artists just "did" something, you are terribly wrong! Even Pollock rejected most of his action paonting images just because they were *not* complying to that "something" he had in mind. Artistic work is *hard* work and it demands absolute mastering of tools and techniques. First you achieve this, and *then* you go for artistic work. Only lazy ignorants discuss about art as something that has to "represent their feelings" (ohohooooo!) in their comfortable armchairs.

Here we have an armada of people that struggled throughout their lives in order to achieve making visible what they had in mind, they worked hard for mastering techniques and tools, they invented new tools that just matched better what they wanted to do, they exhanged minds in countless days and nights, and David says to me that it doesn't matter that much, if one masters technical things or not. Guess whose definition I would rather take seriously, David's "definition" or the definition of the countless art institutes spread all over the world. This would really be the only thing we missed, namely to have each and every half-knowing mediocre telling us what artistic work is. Really, what else am I going to read on this world?

Cheers!

Nick




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