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Ellen Smith
{K:14418} 12/11/2005
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Bravo Roger this is grand. I've never seen a shot like this. Do you have it posted somewhere where is can be seen it all it's glory?
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Roger Williams
{K:86139} 12/8/2005
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Hi, Lily. I'm glad you're posting again. Your work is very special, you know... I had a lot of problems with this panorama, and then they upgraded my panorama stitching software and suddenly everything became much easier! Can't claim much credit for it, I'm afraid. This one did come out nicely and it was an interesting scene...
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Tiger Lily
{K:10966} 12/8/2005
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Four (4) fish-eyes stitched...Oy! That must have been difficult. Very neat panorama. I love the natural colors, the clarity and the fine details.
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Roger Williams
{K:86139} 12/5/2005
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Thanks, Mahamed, I'm so glad you returned my visit! Yes, this is a pretty unusual combination of camera, lens and image processing, but the end result is not easily obtained any other way. I love panoramas and enjoy making them. I'm happy you liked this one.
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Mahamed Ariffin
{K:7114} 12/4/2005
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Rog, this is a masterpiece! Really! From your description, I just simply got lost! And the type of camera plus the lens you employed sound so strange to me. Great and just like Cessy said, keep 'em coming!
And thanks for your kind words on my At The Shoe Store upload. Your kind words inspire me a lot!
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Carsten Ranke
{K:14476} 12/3/2005
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Roger, nice to hear that PTGui 5.1 works with circular fisheye shots too (I use that version for my 10-22 mm lens shots actually, you know). PTGui is probably the most powerful and, now, user friendly program, IMO. I tried your link - excellent VR ! Needs some time to load, but then... superb quality, only the sky should have been darker/ overcast for more to see in the upper part.
Cheers
Carsten
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Roger Williams
{K:86139} 12/3/2005
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Thanks for visiting, Carsten. PTGui makes even stitching circular fisheye shots much less of a pain than it used to be. This is actually a cropped version of the source image for an equiangular (spherical) projection. It makes sense to crop the tops and bottoms which are too weirdly spread out to look good in a print. By the way, if you have Java activated and point your browser at www . adex-japan . com / roger (closing up the spaces) you will see an 800 x 800 window into a circular panorama I took last year using my rotary camera. Click and drag to look in different directions, click + shift/control will zoom in and out. It's a no-frills test for my panorama site. Let me know if it works for you...
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Carsten Ranke
{K:14476} 12/2/2005
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A tough job, seamless stitch with fisheye- FOV, horizon is perfect too. Must be great to dive-in with an appropriate viewer. This (cylindrical, I guess) projection lacks space for the tree, as Carlos said already, maybe an equirectangular version would show mor eof the tree ? I have no fisheye, but I know how tricky a pano with superwide can be. Was this shot with a tripod ?
Cheers
Carsten
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Roger Williams
{K:86139} 11/29/2005
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Thanks very much for your encouragement, Gabriela. Stitching panoramas from circular fisheye images is about the other end of the scale from point-and-press photography! A whole LOT of things have to be done just right to get a good result...
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Paul's Photos
{K:35235} 11/28/2005
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great!!! I think that sums it up :)
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Gabriela Tanaka
{K:16594} 11/28/2005
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I think that this is impressive! I don't know whether technically it is satisfactory or not, but from the point of view of the spectator it is lavish in details. It gives me the feeling that I enter the world behind the photo, as if falling behind the edge the edge of the photograph.It required a lot of work, I guess!
Gabriela
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Roger Williams
{K:86139} 11/28/2005
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Ah, I was waiting for your reaction... SO glad you like it! I am thinking that with the next one of these I post I will also post the set of four (or five) circular original photos as a montage attached to a comment under the main panorama.
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cessy karina
{K:14205} 11/28/2005
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hi Roger !!
thank you sooo much :)
very wonderful view with fantastic panorama format, you made very well. and I couldn't see the joins
the angle you choosen is very nice, you could see to any roads
to my fav
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Roger Williams
{K:86139} 11/28/2005
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Thank you, Carlos. You put your finger right on the problem with uploading such parnoamas to Usefilm. VR displays are of course common on sites that cater for panorama lovers, and I can give you some wonderful links if you are interested. I must disagree with you on the cropping I did, though. The empty foreground is not completely empty; it has a weird snaky shadow of me that is oversized (because close to the lens) and very distracting. The topmost branches of the tree, near the azimuth, are spread far to the left and right at the top of the frame and very heavily distorted. Again, very distracting. But adding so much at top and bottom would actually increase the sense of frustration at the inability to inspect detail, which becomes proportionately smaller. Take my word for it! Perhaps one day Usefilm will cater for panorama lovers? I hope so, and have been urging this for over two years, now. I am trusting that something will be done after the upgrade. I have quite a bit of expertise that would help them to do it simply and effectively if they thing it is worth doing.
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Carlos
{K:12969} 11/27/2005
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A fascinating technique Roger, showing much as a photographer would see (looking around the scene for the 'best' angle). In this presentation what ?takes away? from the viewer is the experience of scale. Such pictures ought to seen hanging on a large wall (which you point out is designed to be seen in a ?virtual reality? context), as the web limited as is cannot possibly do justice to such shots. It is always a stretch to look at 800 by 800 landscapes anyway? (mine and others), as the eye feels ripped off seeing only the promise of so much detail. This picture is a case in point ? two pathways to follow and a lot of eye candy to take in - a photographer and tripod, folks talking, hanging out? a lackadaisical scene. But the interest and attention my eyes give the picture cannot be captive to anything so miniscule?
In this effort cutting the tree top is visually discordant ? the skyscape would bring more context to the scene, afford a better sense of scale, and provide the oxygen already sorely lacking. And I think you should have kept the foreground ? as the photographer ?sees? it, the viewer should as well!
With this in place, and even with the inherent limitations, I know I would be looking at a stronger image,
Regards
C
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vanessa shakesheff
{K:68840} 11/26/2005
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Fantastic picture you are clever.best wishes vanessa
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Roger Williams
{K:86139} 11/26/2005
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Thanks, Keith, glad you like them. The rotary camea is heavy and requires a VERY heavy tripod to be used with it, and as I get older it becomes harder to cart it all around. Recently I bought a pack-pack type camera case, and will put it in that and see if I can cope better with the weight. I already have an MF film scanner so should soon be shooting with it again. It has definite advantages over stitching, but inherently cannot be used for immersive panoramas, which is where my interest is tending these days.
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Keith Naylor
{K:13064} 11/26/2005
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Hi Roger, well I really like thes pano shots. I'm still looking for a noblex or a widelux to have a real good go at these. What happened to that 360 deg camera you once showed us?
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Roger Williams
{K:86139} 11/26/2005
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Thank you, Peter, but the difficulties are greatly simplified by using the right tool. I use PTGui, a shareware interface to the freeware PanoTools utilities. The latest version makes it almost automatic! This is an amazing tool that can assemble a mosaic of photos into a single, seamless image...
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Peter Houtmeyers
{K:3519} 11/26/2005
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Very good photostitch Roger! Must have been difficult to get the photo's in place without visible seams. Did the lens not add extra difficulty.....these fish-eyes distort a lot in the corners....!!!???
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Chris Spracklen
{K:32552} 11/26/2005
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Brilliant 'shot', Roger!!
I love your panoramas, too ~ especially the full 360 ones!!
So sharp and full of interest.
Best regards, Chris
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stingRay pt.4 .
{K:250401} 11/26/2005
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Amazing result from amazing equipment and finished with an amazing technique. Well done Roger a most interesting composition. Best wishes..Ray
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Giuliano Guarnieri
{K:36622} 11/26/2005
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Hi Roger,
this is a real nice panorama. You included everything with a perfect balancing. I like expecially the central part of the frame with the trees.
Rally nice
Bye
GG
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Roger Williams
{K:86139} 11/26/2005
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I'm so glad you like it, Rob. The left- and right-hand ends join up seamlessly, you know! I don't think the other seams show though, and I am quite proud of that!
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Rob Ernsting
{K:8899} 11/26/2005
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Very very clever work and it looks great. Iteresting to see the shadows at different angles. Very nice shot.
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Rashed Abdulla
{K:163889} 11/25/2005
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wonderful composition and with great panorama effect,beautiful details and colors,very best regards my friend.
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