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James Cook
{K:38068} 5/15/2007
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True enough.
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 5/15/2007
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A very interesting position, James! And if we consider that no free will would be possible at all without the set of things you name "Fate", then we see the importance of it. (I would rather name it necessity instead of fate though.) Still, I think - or want to think - that most of the time the skills can compensate for the premises given by that "Fate". A top level photographer can take a shot out of almost anything under almost any conditions, and make it look fantastic, solving thus the special problems that arrive with that "anything". Of course there will be also problems that are simply unsolvable - or for which not even a decision is possible. (Here I touch Goedel, I know.) Those problems really demonstrate the "Fate", or "Necessity", or whatever we might call it.
Have a nice day,
Nick
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James Cook
{K:38068} 5/14/2007
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Well, that's what I meant by a collision between luck and skill. It's lucky that the world was the way the world was and it was skill that framed and set the camera and hit the sutter. Something like that. Of course, one can improve one's odds or influence luck.
This relates to a philosophical position I am tending. There are two forces at work in the universe (or at least two ways of talking about employed forces). One of these I will call Fate and the other Will. Will is what I am able to choose (choose or not choose) and Fate is that collection of things beyond my choice (gravity, time, your will, etc.).
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 5/14/2007
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Yes, that's true, James. Of course the elements have to be there first. But still, any available elements can be captured in a way that results in a great shot. So, any "luck" can be good luck. Or perhaps I just demand the impossible in order to be able to do the possible - who knows?
Best wishes,
Nick
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James Cook
{K:38068} 5/14/2007
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Well, even hunting for the perfect conscious shot... you have to be in some place where something exists and you have to notice it... I don't know.
All of these elements, that is to say the world around us, we have no direct control over. If those elements come together, what other name do we have for that? I believe that is exactly what we call luck.
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 5/13/2007
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It might as well be, James, but I don't like this way that much. I am hunting the perfect conscious shot - which I may never make.
Nick
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James Cook
{K:38068} 5/11/2007
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If I've said it once I've said it a hundred times: the great ones come from a blind collision of luck and skill. We are magicians conjuring order from the shadows.
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 5/11/2007
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I see. Strange that I didn't even think of it at shooting time. Perhaps, after all, the best chaos is produced when trying to produce some order - this would agree with the incompletness theorem at its far lying consequences. :-/
Thanks a lot, James!
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James Cook
{K:38068} 5/11/2007
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You see, this is one where I think again the chaos comes together.
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