Hey Don, Yep thought I've bored you lot long enough... LOL!! But never say never, I might sneak one in now and again, because all of the NY pics... not in a zillion years... a whole lot more where this came from... ;-DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Have a great day and thanks for the explanation on the 'elevator'... I pretty much thought that was how it worked... the corrugated iron part was an 'of course, duhhhh plastic dumb' moment... BTW much nicer than a concrete one, but a lot more maintenance... so... bye, bye... How does that song go again: It's all about the money...