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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 8/5/2008
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Yes, that's true, Andre! I really consider getting also a digital EOS body for exactly this reason and also for being able to get some projects under strict time constraints. It gets easier then to deliver the images inside the available time.
Cheers!
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 8/1/2008
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Hi Nick,
That's one of the great things about shooting digital. As long as you have the time, all those questions can be answered with just a little planning and no additional cost. Of course when shooting, even with digital, we will always think of something else to do once we are away from the scene.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/29/2008
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So I wonder now if leaving the front off image by turning the camera a bit upwards would still be good, Andre. That would perhaps mean that the heavily out of focus flowers in the front were the problem here. Or change the DoF for letting them be more in focus?
Cheers!
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 7/28/2008
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I have to agree Nick,
The crop has really improved an already good image.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/26/2008
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Thanks a lot for taking the additional look, Andre! Well, I guess too that the other one was the best, but after Dan's crop this one stands also very close to the other one. I have the feeling that with this crop it also surpasses the other one in some disciplines.
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/26/2008
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Hi Andre!
Indeed, Dan's suggestion for a crop was a great idea! Small action with a big result, and that's amazing! I am quite enthusiastic with the exchange that takes place here, and I really wished that more and more would participate in this. But still the fewer guys like you or Dan or Visar, and so on, who do exchange their minds are a never ending source of additional ideas and real different ways to look at images. It widens my limited horizon very much, for which I am both happy and also grateful. For me exactly this is one of *the* purposes of the group.
Cheers!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/25/2008
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Nice to hear that our thoughts coincide, Dan! It made sense to me to crop it this way, but now that I know that you also find it good, I am of course a whole lot more confident about that. Now, if it could only be a real *big* panoramic, ey? It could be both some image of a garden and some "color dominated" panorama.
About such images, of course it is something we can see with our eyes. Just stand in front of such a collection of flowers, focus somewhere, and notice (without moving your eyes) how the rest comes out of focus. One can also exercise to keep the focus of the own eyes to some other point in depth than where they are actually directed to. Never done that before?
Anyway, I do find such images "OK", but exactly that and nothing more. This kind of image got so trivial in the meanwhile. Some new way to view a flower is needed. Searching fot that!
Cheers!
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 7/25/2008
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Hi Nick,
I had missed viewing the one titled "Rose Red Silk", but, I have since seen it and tend to agree with you. It has similar elements to this image. But may be the most effective.
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 7/25/2008
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Hi Nick,
I really like Dan's suggestion for the crop on this one!
Isn't it amazing how something like that can make so much differnce.
Getting so many different pairs of eyes making suggestions is one of the really good things about this group.
Andre
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Dan Wilson
{K:21104} 7/24/2008
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That is perfect, even more funny is that is exactly I mean perfectly where I was thinking of the crop. I think now it makes for a fantastic panorama painting or photo.
I really think less is more here, and you have shown that here perfectly. I actually like the limited DOF, I don't think they are boring it appeals to me more because it is not something you would see with your eyes.
Cya, Dan
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/24/2008
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Thanks a lot for the nice comment and even more for the suggestion, Dan! Well, let's crop a bit! (Attachment.) Worse/better?
Anyway, such limited DoF images of flowers are kind of boring with time, aren't they? Just "nice" images, but not much more, I guess. I don't have any clue for making something more out of such scenes. :-/
Cheers!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/24/2008
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Nice thanks, Claudia!
Nick
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Dan Wilson
{K:21104} 7/23/2008
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Very nice Shot here Nick. I agree with the below. I also think this is the best shot of this series. Great Work. To me I feel the shooting angle and the DOF used to blur the foreground is fantastic, maybe could have cropped a little bit off the blurred part though as it seems to me a tiny bit too much. Wonderful colours and I love how the background is in harmony with the rest of the shot. I know I always find it hard to achieve this as there are normally objects like foot paths of grass patches, fences etc that are very hard to leave out of the shot. Very nicely done Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/23/2008
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Thanks a lot for the nice detailed comment, Andre! And so nice to hear from you again!
Flower fields are always hard to get in some way that "does something" except of "looking good", for me too. Most of the time when it is about gardens, like for example in this series, it is so hard for me to somehow get a good frame and really compose reasonably. So I stay in rather usual "macro-like" shots, which in the mainwhile is a path that already has been repeatedly beaten to romantic death, I guess. ;-)
As you surely already noticed, most of the series is more or less about "many intense colors", but the composition aspects are neglected in the sense of getting some image with limited DoF out of each and every available part of the garden. Back then I used to find such images great but as the time was passing by... oh well! I find them "OK" now, but not particular in the sense of photography. I wouldn't really reject them, that is, but this style gets overrated.
For me the best of the series is the first one, "Rose-red silk", but even that one is very usual, almost trivial in composition. It's perhaps OK for colors and light and good details in the DoF, but what I mean is that any other part of that garden would have produced the same view if shot in the same way. Any other garden, any other place with flowers would have worked the same way too. I miss the "thinking" part in such images - it's rather like copying and mimicking but not really making some steps ahead in photography.
Still such images are good and have their value for exercising and talking about them afterwards. They can't be claimed to be top of the arts but for they are good for noticing some things that could be done better, even inside the limited set of possibilities they offer.
Going to your next comment now, but already here: Thanks again and nice to hear from you again!
Cheers!
Nick
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Claudia Perilli
{K:31090} 7/23/2008
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Nice series. Nice colors.
Claudia
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 7/22/2008
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Hi Nick,
I had a look at the four of today's postings. To me, this one seems to work the best of the four. It's hard to tell why. I think this view is more flattering to the arrangement of the flowers by the gardener. I can't really say because I am no expert on gardening.
I have also tried to take some images of large beds of flowers and never been satisfied with the results. I think they come out too scattered looking. Then what you end up with is an image with no real focal point of interest.
That is just a personal opinion. I suppose that is why I like to concentrate on individual blooms. Or just a few blooms at a time.
See my next comment.
Andre
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