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Ivan Jimenez
{K:9078} 4/13/2007
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Many thanks Maja... this picture was the beginning of something here in Istanbul. I hope I get to see the end of this awful situation.
Many thanks for your comments
Best
I
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Maja Š
{K:17951} 4/13/2007
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Dear Ivan,
your photos are so strong and dramatic..this one made me cry..
thank you for sharing..
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Ivan Jimenez
{K:9078} 10/12/2006
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Dear Doyle... I still remember the intensity of your comment.. many many thanks once again...
Let me point you in this direction you will enjoy this update
http://www.shkd.org/common/Soundslides/Maria/
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Ivan Jimenez
{K:9078} 10/12/2006
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Rina... thanks for you support when it was needed... you will enjoy this
http://www.shkd.org/common/Soundslides/Maria/
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Ivan Jimenez
{K:9078} 10/12/2006
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Jeroen, as much as it hurts me to see that some people can have your views I believe there is no point in holding grudges.
Let me show you something... everybody around here helped to make this happen:
http://www.shkd.org/common/Soundslides/Maria/
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Ivan Jimenez
{K:9078} 10/12/2006
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Ahmed.. this is for you
http://www.shkd.org/common/Soundslides/Maria/
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Ivan Jimenez
{K:9078} 10/12/2006
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Dear Derya... an update...
http://www.shkd.org/common/Soundslides/Maria/
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Oui Lee
{K:3238} 9/25/2006
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hey iván!
ya me he enterado de todo, me lo conto rut.
yo flipo!!me he estado descojonando (con tu permiso) del debate que has generado, has estado nominado y el publico te ha salvado. jjjjj
menudo subnormal el jeroen de las narices, te lo digo ahora y te lo dije el otro día en el comentario que hice en esta misma foto, que ha desaparecido.
sigue atormentando conciencias con tu fotoperiodismo de la dura realidad.
por aquí tienes un Supporter Choice, por la libertad de expresión y la fotodenuncia.
ánimo amigo.
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Ivan Jimenez
{K:9078} 9/21/2006
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of course it will depend on WHICH person... :-)
Actually, forgot to say something... today a couple of us sneaked into the shelter from hell and rescued another couple of critically starved dogs... and a cat!!!!!!
This is starting to look like one of the Animal Liberation Front operations... anyway...
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 9/21/2006
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Ivan:
I wasn't trying to say that you had made that connection . . . that was responsive to the Paul Lara comment and, in effect, you received it as courtesy since this is your shot. My good friend Gayle's comment too "There is no difference there between a dog or a man." did not sit well with me. While I respect all life and abhor cruelty . . . were I to be forced to save either a person or a puppy from a fire . . . I might just make the choice of choosing the person - see my point? (Of course, that may well depend on WHICH person ;) ) LoL! Just kidding!
Wishing you and all you have activated in this quest the very best of luck!!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~~
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Ivan Jimenez
{K:9078} 9/21/2006
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Doyle, I did not equate Darfur with animal wellfare, what I said was that they were both situations created by the indifference, callousness.. etc..
You speak wise words and I cannot but aplaude you.
I will just quote my favourite Saint, Saint Francis of Assisi "All things of creation are children of the Father and thus brothers of man. ... God wants us to help animals, if they need help. Every creature in distress has the same right to be protected". Another favourite of mind is: Fill your hear with compassion ...
Those who try to draw lines, differenciate, and in general find reasons to justify their indifference fall below what I have drawn for myself and my people as basic standards.
On a different subject, in a few days I will post an update of the effect this image and the slide show that accompanied has had on this matter. I cannot but applaud the hundreds of people (in a few days will surely be thousands) that have bombarded that company and the government officials involved with complains.
I cannot tell you exactly to what extent, it will be clearer by the end of the week, but one thing is sure, this time they have made a real difference.
Regards
Ivan
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Saeed Al Shamsi
{K:47735} 9/21/2006
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Am so glad the related problem calm down, we need a balance for calming the temper.
And Al did it again.. Hope this is not a case to blame any one but to whom close to that shelter to get some help so to see the shelter in name and action.
Thanks to bring this issue.
Saeed
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 9/21/2006
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Guess I'm old school then . . . somehow I get that Superiority Complex thing that somehow . . . someway . . . human life is more important than animal life. I value all . . . but don't think equating a dog with a human being is a valid point. In fact, it seems to alienate many people who would otherwise support these efforts. A better response might be to say that Darfur is important . . . but isn't in this photojournalistic shot. Just because there are other things to legitimately be upset about doesn't mean that we can't be upset about this image.
That being said . . . a sign of a good photojournalistic image is its ability to move people to action. That's really why the terrorists of the world film their atrocities . . . free publicity! And that will require a degree of passion . . . and this shot moves people to a passionate response . . . It's, sadly, not often that we can't think of a worse situation. But, just because there is a worse situation doesn't excuse all the bad things that are NOT the worst.
It is not by what we love that we will ultimately be judged . . . but by what we detest. Cruelty in any form to living creatures can be added to MY list!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
PS: Outstanding (and real) photojournalistic shot! If this type was excluded from permissability . . . then the category should be elimanted. (In my opinion).
DDC I
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 9/21/2006
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Guess I'm old school then . . . somehow I get that Superiority Complex thing that somehow . . . someway . . . human life is more important than animal life. I value all . . . but don't think equating a dog with a human being is a valid point. In fact, it seems to alienate many people who would otherwise support these efforts. A better response might be to say that Darfur is important . . . but isn't in this photojournalistic shot. Just because there are other things to legitimately be upset about doesn't mean that we can't be upset about this image.
That being said . . . a sign of a good photojournalistic image is its ability to move people to action. That's really why the terrorists of the world film their atrocities . . . free publicity! And that will require a degree of passion . . . and this shot moves people to a passionate response . . . It's, sadly, not often that we can't think of a worse situation. But, just because there is a worse situation doesn't excuse all the bad things that are NOT the worst.
It is not by what we love that we will ultimately be judged . . . but by what we detest. Cruelty in any form to living creatures can be added to MY list!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
PS: Outstanding (and real) photojournalistic shot! If this type was excluded from permissability . . . then the category should be elimanted. (In my opinion).
DDC I
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ARMANDO ALCÁZAR
{K:42404} 9/21/2006
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Hermano: finalmente se hizo justicia, pues mostrar una foto de este tipo para que podamos ver cómo estan tratando a seres vivientes y de paso intentar ayudarlos no es de ninguna manera ningun tipo de activismo, eso se llama tener buen corazón y enseñarnos hasta donde puede llegar la crueldad del ser humano.
Thanks to Al for put this pic again in the ivan's portafolio, you are a great guy my friend, God bless you ;)
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 9/21/2006
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Paul Lara: "Life is life - whether in a cat, or dog or man. There is no difference there between a dog or a man. The idea of difference is a human conception for man's own advantage."
~Sri Aurobindo
Also,one important measure of society's humanity is how well we treat animals.....
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r u t h d r io
{K:4339} 9/21/2006
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querido Iván, afortunadamente la justicia y la libertad de expresion ganan. esperemos que ademas esto sirva para concienciar a la gente con el maltrato animal.
un abrazo
r u t h
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Ivan Jimenez
{K:9078} 9/21/2006
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Opposite sides of the same coin Paul. A coin called indifference, callousness, selfishness, inhumanity.
Equally upsetting and equally worth fighthing for.
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Paul Lara
{K:88111} 9/21/2006
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Dogs?
Darfur. THAT is something to be upset about.
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In Transit
{K:29432} 9/21/2006
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For: Mr Al Shaikh
Less Said Is Best Said
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Ivan Jimenez
{K:9078} 9/21/2006
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A small victory of freedom of expression and decency against the insensitivity and inaction that plagues our society today.
Thank you Al for your fairness. Thank you Gayle for having stood by me on this. My eventual departure was not important, but making my point across was.
Really thank you for your time, efforts and kindness.
Ivan
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 9/21/2006
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Thank you...you have not only restored an important photo,but my trust in people
best regards,gayle
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al shaikh
{K:15790} 9/21/2006
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I have reinstated this picture.
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Paul Lara
{K:88111} 9/19/2006
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Armed with a camera, almost anyone can spread the cause of journalism. Thanks.
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Caterina Berimballi
{K:27299} 9/19/2006
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Jeroen, so what if it's activism? Wouldn't this issue unite rather than divide? Who will protect these defenseless creatures, if not us - a united global community, speaking out against the needless suffering. It will do no harm to UF community to raise awareness. Unless of course, there are some here who would advocate this kind of cruelty...? I doubt it.
Ivan, good luck with your endeavours, I will also lend my voice to this in the hope that maybe we can make a difference.
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Linda Imagefree
{K:72276} 9/19/2006
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My heart is broken..:(
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Linda Imagefree
{K:72276} 9/19/2006
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My heart is broken..:(
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Roberto Arcari Farinetti
{K:209486} 9/18/2006
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ohhhhhhhh.. OMG is so cruel.. so dramtaic and very hard life, what is possible!!!!
this dog have the terrific sign in your body, in your soul.. is not possible STOP this :( :( :(
this denunce to scream of pain ..
touching!
thanks
roby
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r u t h d r io
{K:4339} 9/18/2006
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pasa de todo Iván, mamones hay en todos sitios
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r u t h d r io
{K:4339} 9/18/2006
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I think that you don´t really understand this Jeroen, each one make photos about think it´s important, call it activcism if you want
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M. Bi
{K:3646} 9/18/2006
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Cruel... Great journalist shot!
Mauri
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Ivan Jimenez
{K:9078} 9/18/2006
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En espanol o en chino...
muchas gracias Ruth... espero que no se ofenda por el comentario el gilipollas este que me acaba de dejar una perla.
Mamon...
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r u t h d r io
{K:4339} 9/18/2006
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estas cosas hacen que me hierva la sangre, gracias por hacer lo que haces, mandare ese email, en español, claro.
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Jeroen Wenting
{K:25317} 9/18/2006
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This is not the place for activism, political or otherwise.
No matter how horrid this situation is, we can't tollerate that or else where would we have to draw the line?
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Ivan Jimenez
{K:9078} 9/18/2006
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Hi Ahmed...
Well.. have a look at the link I sent... until the end, grab the phone and call any of the numbers. Tell them you know what they are up to and that the world is watching.
By the way.. I left that place with the irish setter and this dog under my arms (they were incredibly light).. they tried to stop me but they should have known better. The two dogs are now in intensive care at our shelter.
Give me a hand... go to that link, watch the whole thing and then give them a call.. or send them an email..
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Etem Etem
{K:3551} 9/18/2006
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What is this?Nobody can not tolerate this.Who is responsible?SHAME,SHAME,SHAME.....!!!!
After viewing this shot I felt a pain in my stomack.Poor dog... As an owner of a dog (how stupid is term ''owner of a dog'')and a person that likes and loves dogs more than people I am ready to do everything for this dog.
I sad likes and loves dogs more than people bcs. dogs (generaly animals) do not lie,play dirty games behind your back,brake our harts without any reason etc.
Let's do something for this dog!!!!
Good sample of documentary photography!
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Pablo Dylan
{K:63918} 9/18/2006
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I visit the site....how much stupid cruelty, but fortunately is sensitive persons like you that they denounce these absurdities.
Pablo
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Ivan Jimenez
{K:9078} 9/18/2006
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Many thanks Gayle... well see...
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Ivan Jimenez
{K:9078} 9/18/2006
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Hi Derya... I live in Turkey but my turkish is cok kotu... yavas yavas...
Many thanks for writing to those people... emails... calls to the responsible people in that shelter (you have their numbers in that presentation...) everything is a step forward towards stopping their crimes.
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 9/18/2006
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This is photojournalism at its best letting the world know about the inhumanity toward animals...i hope that all at UF will take a moment to voice their concern at:
biosav@bio-sav.com
Thank you my dear friend for bringing this to our attention...peace and love,gayle
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derya demir
{K:107} 9/18/2006
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I sent an email to biosav, and i asked the reason of that upsetting condition. If I can take a response, I will inform you.
By the way do you live in Turkey? Can you speak Turkish?
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