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  Photography Forum: Philosophy Of Photography Forum: 
  Q. Joel Peter Witkin and La Serpentine

Asked by Alexandra Jasper    (K=0) on 4/23/2003 
Need help with Witkin's image of La Serpentine. Does anyone know the aims and ideas that stand behind this work?
I am an art student and need to do some research concerning ideals and techniques. I am not sure which format he used and if/how this picture is manipulated? Does he paint/scratch on the prints? Is it toned?
Is there a webpage or a book in which this special image is analysed in depth?

alex


    



 Andrew Haworth   (K=356) - Comment Date 4/23/2003
Alexandra,

I highly suggest two books on Witkin. One is "The Bone House," which was published in 2000, and is a beautiful, clothbound edition. The best part of the book, IMHO, is Witkin's own writing in the forward. He describes his techniques in detail.

Another great little book, and it's very cheap from Amazon.com ($8), is Phaedon 55's Witkin publication. I own both of these books and I will look for any information on "La Serpentine" for you.

I recently gave a detailed slide show on Witkin's work for a class project. I can talk at length about a lot of his works, but "Serpentine" isn't one of them.

As far as technique goes, Witkin does scratch his negatives and uses chemicals to distress them. In "The Bone House" he refers to shooting in medium format, although I have read he also uses a 4x5 view camera. When he prints, he covers his photographic paper in wet tissue paper, then as the paper is exposed, he will manipulate the wet paper, tearing it sometimes, to achive a vintage look. The print receives further manipulation with chemistry and toner.

I also learned that some of his fine prints are mounted on aluminum, then coated with thin layers of beeswax, which is heated and polished. Supposedly, he only makes about 10 of these prints a year. No Photoshop manipulation is employed.

Witkin works with cadavers (He has an arrangement with a morgue in Mexico), and actively seeks out those who are disfigured or exhibit any types of physical abnormalities.

I shall look at my Phaedon 55 book this evening to see if "Serpentine" is featured. Eugenia Parry, an art critic, wrote extensive commentary on all the works in the book.

The thing to remember with Witkin is that he's "reinventing" the history of art.

Look at many of his works -- they feature elements of myth ("Beauty Has 3 Nipples" for instance, is his take on Venus), and many of his photos are stylized to resemble common art cliches ("Feast of Fools" looks like a Dutch still-life).

There are also intense religious themes present ("Glassman", "Horse Crucifixion," "Queer Saint" and many others), and themes of constant pain/martyrdom ("Testicle Stretch with Possibility of Crushed Face" comes to mind).

Good luck with your research. Witkin is a fascinating study!

-Andrew





 Alexandra Jasper   (K=0) - Comment Date 4/24/2003
andrew,
thanks a lot for your help. Seems you have been studying Witkin quite a lot. The things you write about the techniques are very helpful as one part of the task is to reconstruct in style or "replicate" an image of the chosen artist.In my case it is La Serpentine. I have already done some shots in the studio setting with a large format view camera . The results are not too bad but unfortunately the developing process went wrong. On all of my images I have black spots at the edges (possibly water/developer?) and I wonder if you have any suggestions how to cover this bits up when I do the prints? I can't re-do the images cause I won't find another model for this position.
Many greetings Alexandra





 Andrew Haworth   (K=356) - Comment Date 4/25/2003
If you're emulating Witkin, I would think the black spots on the edges would enhance the overall effect. Of course, it's hard to really know without seeing the problem first. You could always go crazy with scratching on the negative, using a razor blade, or pin. Sometimes I just throw the neg on the floor and step on it a few times. :)

Also, Witkin deliberatly destroys the edges of many of his works, maybe this is an option for you if the spots are too distracting. Try sandpaper. The 4x5 negative is so large, it's great to work with. I would love to see your final photo!

-Andrew





 Alexandra Jasper   (K=0) - Comment Date 4/26/2003
hi andrew,
not much time today but thanks again for your advice. i will send you some of the final images which should be around the end of may.
have a nice weekend.
alex





 Alexandra Jasper   (K=0) - Comment Date 4/27/2003
anrew,
have you found something out about the serpentine? i have searched the internet but couldn't find anything.

alexandra





 Andrew Haworth   (K=356) - Comment Date 4/28/2003
I've found nothing about that piece :( It's not even in either of my books.





 Alexandra Jasper   (K=0) - Comment Date 4/29/2003
thanks anyway for your help.
alexandra





 Scratched Negative   (K=2) - Comment Date 12/26/2003
I am unsure if either of you two would still read this but I was interested in seeing the final results of Alexandra's project. I also have an interest in Witkin's work. Thank you in advance.




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